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Post #233,867 by bepatient 11/13/05 10:32:27 AM Reply	Nice ad-hom But they cannot sign until they are legal adults. But thats ok, we have people all to willing to make decisions for them and take potential opportunities away from them. We're so lucky that way. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #233,870 by broomberg 11/13/05 10:50:36 AM Reply	While they can't sign until adults you are perfectly happy requiring high schools to send personal information (that no other recruiting entity gets, don't bother giving me that crap about equal access) to the military. And then for the military to contact them in a continous barrage. And for them to ignore the parents of kids who say stop calling if there is a hint that the kids was receptive (plenty of examples if you care to google). So while the day of signing might wait until 18, the thought process is finely influenced for long before then.
Post #233,882 by bepatient 11/13/05 11:56:48 AM Reply	What I've said is that it is NO DIFFERENT TODAY than at any other time. Some website gets you all in a fluff and you ignore the reality that has always been there because the >now< supports your prejudice. I can find supporting positions for ANYTHING on the web if "I care to Google". My position is simple. If McDonalds can recruit on a high school campus then the armed forces should have the same ability. You want to make this bigger than that, enjoy yourself. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #233,946 by imqwerky 11/13/05 9:06:53 PM 11/13/05 9:32:59 PM Reply	McDonald's doesn't train kids to kill or be killed A kid can work at Mickey D's and quit if he/she wants to. You can't quit the military, no siree. You are in for your hitch, if you make it out alive. Big difference. That has been the point all along, Bill! SF wants the kids to go to either college or job training. What is wrong with that? If they change their minds later, so be it. But at least let these kids get a chance to make something of their lives. It's all about vocation. If someone feels the call to be in the military, by all means, follow that call. Most kids have no idea what they want to do with their lives. And LIVE is the operative word here. Were we not in a war, this would not be such a hot issue, but, as it stands, the people of San Francisco obviously feel it is predatory to recruit in high schools. I agree. The kids are too young and inexperienced. Training is minimal at best and then they are shipped to combat. Good luck! Hell, even the experienced soldiers are dying! War is war! Can you blame these people for wanting to preserve a natural resource...their young people? I just want to leave you with one thought. Why is it that only four of the 535 members of Congress have children in the military; only one, Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., has a child who fought in Iraq? Peace, Amy "It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot Edited by imqwerky Nov. 13, 2005, 09:32:21 PM EST Edited by imqwerky Nov. 13, 2005, 09:32:59 PM EST Expand All History
Post #233,948 by boxley 11/13/05 9:10:08 PM Reply	just blow the wrong gender and instant discharge that pig wont fly thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #233,958 by SpiceWare 11/13/05 9:45:18 PM Reply	pun intended? Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass\|Artistic Overpass]\n[link\|http://www.spiceware.org/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #233,960 by boxley 11/13/05 9:46:07 PM Reply	nope, just unintended brilliance! :-) "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #233,981 by bepatient 11/14/05 8:18:23 AM Reply	Thank you for proving my point Were we not in a war, this would not be such a hot issue It doesn't matter what the TERMS are, you are hunting for differences to JUSTIFY your position that you know better for the cheeldrun what choices they should be allowed to make as adults by filtering and/or blocking their access to both information and the ability to commit. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #234,057 by jb4 11/14/05 1:36:21 PM Reply	Sorta depends on who you ask... ...The guy who produced "Super-size Me" might argue that they do train their employees to kill. ...But I digress... jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT

Bill O'Reilly supports terrorists - (andread) - (185) - Nov. 11, 2005, 02:16:27 PM EST

Only SF? - (bepatient) - (184) - Nov. 11, 2005, 03:55:47 PM EST

All or nothing? - (hnick) - (182) - Nov. 11, 2005, 05:26:35 PM EST

Don't be a goof - (bepatient) - (181) - Nov. 11, 2005, 05:32:48 PM EST

How not? - (hnick) - (180) - Nov. 11, 2005, 06:52:57 PM EST

Re: How not? - (bepatient) - (179) - Nov. 11, 2005, 07:06:46 PM EST

What's the death rate of BET employees? - (broomberg) - (93) - Nov. 11, 2005, 07:08:32 PM EST

Black helicopters on way from Ft. Dix to Barry's house. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 11, 2005, 08:29:26 PM EST

So no police, fire and first responders either? -NT - (bepatient) - (20) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:57:31 PM EST

Unlikely - (broomberg) - (19) - Nov. 12, 2005, 08:48:32 AM EST

Oh dear - (bepatient) - (18) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:50:42 AM EST

There you go again - (broomberg) - (17) - Nov. 12, 2005, 05:04:05 PM EST

I have in several posts - (bepatient) - (16) - Nov. 12, 2005, 07:55:30 PM EST

Fine - (broomberg) - (12) - Nov. 12, 2005, 07:59:02 PM EST

Until then - (bepatient) - (11) - Nov. 12, 2005, 08:01:11 PM EST

In HS, they aren't 'people'; they are CHILDREN. -NT - (Ashton) - (10) - Nov. 13, 2005, 12:53:30 AM EST

Actually, no - (broomberg) - (9) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:09:08 AM EST

Nice ad-hom - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 13, 2005, 10:32:27 AM EST

While they can't sign until adults - (broomberg) - (7) - Nov. 13, 2005, 10:50:36 AM EST

What I've said - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 13, 2005, 11:56:48 AM EST

McDonald's doesn't train kids to kill or be killed - (imqwerky) - (5) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:32:59 PM EST

just blow the wrong gender and instant discharge - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:10:08 PM EST

pun intended? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:45:18 PM EST

nope, just unintended brilliance! :-) -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:46:07 PM EST

Thank you for proving my point - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 08:18:23 AM EST

Sorta depends on who you ask... - (jb4) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:36:21 PM EST

Re: I have in several posts - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:32:37 PM EST

Look. - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:00:21 PM EST

Technically not illegal - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:29:18 PM EST

Put it another way... - (pwhysall) - (67) - Nov. 12, 2005, 12:35:05 AM EST

Then no police and no correctional officers - (bepatient) - (66) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:51:52 AM EST

Sounds fair enough to me. -NT - (pwhysall) - (65) - Nov. 12, 2005, 11:02:42 AM EST

So then you feel comfortable - (bepatient) - (64) - Nov. 12, 2005, 11:30:45 AM EST

Yes, basically. - (pwhysall) - (49) - Nov. 12, 2005, 01:21:09 PM EST

Difference of opinion, then. - (bepatient) - (48) - Nov. 12, 2005, 02:23:19 PM EST

No-one's options are being limited by my point of view. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 03:18:00 PM EST

The brush is a bit broad - (hnick) - Nov. 12, 2005, 04:44:30 PM EST

Ya know, Bill... - (jb4) - (45) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:46:15 PM EST

Re: Ya know, Bill... - (bepatient) - (44) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:04:53 PM EST

There is another POV on this. - (mmoffitt) - (42) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:09:42 PM EST

You're qualifying again - (bepatient) - (38) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:36:55 PM EST

Private != State != Federal. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:40:45 PM EST

And you continue - (bepatient) - (19) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:45:21 PM EST

It's about States autonomy from this pov. - (mmoffitt) - (18) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:50:03 PM EST

No it isn't. - (bepatient) - (17) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:29:13 PM EST

Again, this time with feeling. - (mmoffitt) - (15) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:06:01 PM EST

You are mixing things up - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:16:15 PM EST

If the Federal Government really wants to, they can - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:10:15 PM EST

They can raise armies as needed, but pussy communists - (boxley) - (6) - Nov. 14, 2005, 06:30:59 PM EST

why don't you tell us what you really feel box. - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 14, 2005, 07:26:52 PM EST

pussy communists, where the army cant be used in the US - (boxley) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2005, 08:39:22 PM EST

:-) -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 08:48:19 PM EST

What are you on about? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 09:16:48 AM EST

rent a movie called tank -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2005, 09:29:29 AM EST

That '84 Maverick flick? ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2005, 09:33:16 AM EST

"by any means necessary" is implied, then? - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Nov. 23, 2005, 11:24:18 AM EST

Not quite ANY means.. - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 23, 2005, 10:25:51 PM EST

Has that ever been challenged? Did any State try to opt out? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Nov. 28, 2005, 12:09:40 PM EST

not since 1865 -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 28, 2005, 01:08:26 PM EST

Thanks. I meant USSC cases. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 28, 2005, 01:55:45 PM EST

Yes, and I do not know - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 28, 2005, 05:09:24 PM EST

Red Herring alert number 2581 (or so) - (jb4) - Nov. 16, 2005, 01:54:01 PM EST

But, must everybody be allowed to recruit if the Fed is? -NT - (imric) - (16) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:45:28 PM EST

Any specific exclusion should be frowned upon - (bepatient) - (15) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:47:23 PM EST

How about groups that promote violence and killing? - (imric) - (6) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:17:46 PM EST

or democrats depending on your point of view -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:27:27 PM EST

Was wondering where that was headed - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 15, 2005, 12:23:00 AM EST

Political parties are not businesses either. - (imric) - (3) - Nov. 15, 2005, 09:23:15 AM EST

Are they paying now? - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:56:38 AM EST

Yes you did. $300.00 -NT - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2005, 12:00:26 PM EST

That was my money - (bepatient) - Nov. 15, 2005, 12:23:42 PM EST

How about Al Qaida? CPUSA? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Nov. 15, 2005, 09:19:38 AM EST

What, trying to find somebody I don't like? - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:58:18 AM EST

Nope. Just testing your metal. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2005, 11:46:37 AM EST

Then here's one for you. - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:11:46 PM EST

You're right - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:13:39 PM EST

NCLB Sec 9525 covers the Boy Scouts. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:22:43 PM EST

Section HOW MANY?!? - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 01:40:15 PM EST

It's not that bad. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 16, 2005, 01:57:51 PM EST

they take the federal dole, thats why -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:24:32 PM EST

Even that doesn't feature in my reasoning. - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:31:19 PM EST

Not much, they aren't. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:07:38 PM EST

Yes I am... - (jb4) - Nov. 16, 2005, 01:43:33 PM EST

Um, that wouldn't be freedom. That'd be indoctrination. - (mmoffitt) - (13) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:20:25 AM EST

Next - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:24:09 AM EST

Um, that wouldn't be me. That'd be DHS. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:32:38 AM EST

like what you teach your kids :-) /me dux -NT - (boxley) - (10) - Nov. 14, 2005, 12:34:57 PM EST

I don't teach my kids anything anymore. They teach me. - (mmoffitt) - (9) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:12:40 PM EST

tell me about it - (boxley) - (8) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:32:27 PM EST

If that's true, - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:37:34 PM EST

will be 17 in Jan, link below - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:46:38 PM EST

Thanks. I'll give 'em a gander ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:10:36 PM EST

is it pre-marital if they're not going to get married? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:31:48 PM EST

Im afraid to ask :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:25:48 PM EST

Well, clarify that before I go show mine the pic. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:06:56 PM EST

He didn't give you the whole story - (broomberg) - Nov. 14, 2005, 07:52:43 PM EST

Just because he doesn't believe in it . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 14, 2005, 07:57:20 PM EST

In the South? -NT - (imric) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:40:28 AM EST

That's not gonna fly - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:45:47 AM EDT

Indeed: SHOCK n'AWE competing with GM corner office - - (Ashton) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:00:51 AM EST

Discrimination.. we have to give that up, too? - (Ashton) - (84) - Nov. 12, 2005, 02:59:41 AM EST

Ah, I see. - (bepatient) - (83) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:54:10 AM EST

Yeah, he *is* "SMARTER than THEM". They're KIDS. - (CRConrad) - (74) - Nov. 12, 2005, 06:01:17 PM EST

At 18, I might be smarter... - (bepatient) - (73) - Nov. 12, 2005, 07:59:16 PM EST

So you agree - (imqwerky) - (72) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:42:12 PM EST

Not so fast dearest - (bepatient) - (71) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:52:01 PM EST

Re: Not so fast dearest - (andread) - (65) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:02:39 PM EST

Tis a law I believe - (bepatient) - (64) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:04:19 PM EST

Discrimination is not created equal - (ben_tilly) - (63) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:32:26 PM EST

Then you have a poor understanding of what I think - (bepatient) - (60) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:40:49 PM EST

Re-read what you wrote - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Nov. 12, 2005, 11:21:06 PM EST

I am of the opinion - (bepatient) - (12) - Nov. 12, 2005, 11:50:47 PM EST

My understanding is... - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Nov. 13, 2005, 12:34:41 AM EST

Different situation altogether - (bepatient) - (10) - Nov. 13, 2005, 12:43:40 AM EST

There's something basic at stake here - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:00:25 AM EST

And I'm telling you that I think its different - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 13, 2005, 10:35:12 AM EST

In short, I'm wasting my breath - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2005, 03:24:50 PM EST

Box gave you one - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2005, 06:42:27 PM EST

Yes, boxley did. But even if he didn't, you wouldn't have. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:44:58 PM EST

For the stated reasons - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 08:22:49 AM EST

lets try some case law shall we? - (boxley) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2005, 11:48:18 AM EST

Can you say where that case is from? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2005, 03:47:26 PM EST

hmm, thought I linked it, here ya go - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:23:24 PM EST

That does look applicable, thanks -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:42:46 PM EST

Sophistry flying under perverse banner, Social Darwinism 101 - (Ashton) - (45) - Nov. 13, 2005, 12:52:04 AM EST

Sophistry ? - (bepatient) - (44) - Nov. 13, 2005, 10:43:10 AM EST

They can quit McDonalds - (broomberg) - (4) - Nov. 13, 2005, 10:52:04 AM EST

Because it makes no difference - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2005, 11:58:47 AM EST

no difference - (andread) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2005, 04:55:51 PM EST

More of a limit - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 06:44:58 PM EST

I think some people - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 13, 2005, 08:14:53 PM EST

Companies are not the same as the armed forces - (pwhysall) - Nov. 13, 2005, 11:26:49 AM EST

Other employers - (imric) - (37) - Nov. 13, 2005, 11:57:00 AM EST

See above. -NT - (bepatient) - (36) - Nov. 13, 2005, 11:59:22 AM EST

No. - (imric) - (35) - Nov. 13, 2005, 12:04:37 PM EST

You continue to hunt for things - (bepatient) - (34) - Nov. 13, 2005, 12:20:51 PM EST

No-one's taking any choices away, though. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2005, 12:44:21 PM EST

Without equal access - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 06:50:37 PM EST

Yes, adults do know better than children. -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:32:34 AM EST

Ok, how about this? - (hnick) - (30) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:01:52 PM EST

But but but - (broomberg) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:32:44 PM EST

Their problem. TS as it were... -NT - (hnick) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:38:35 PM EST

I guess I needed the sign -NT - (broomberg) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 02:07:05 PM EST

Me too -NT - (hnick) - Nov. 13, 2005, 02:41:25 PM EST

I'm cool with that. - (bepatient) - (25) - Nov. 13, 2005, 06:49:32 PM EST

It was impossible to tease that out though - (broomberg) - (4) - Nov. 13, 2005, 06:53:01 PM EST

I engaged - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2005, 06:57:56 PM EST

Sorry - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2005, 07:01:46 PM EST

No reason for that - (bepatient) - Nov. 13, 2005, 07:05:56 PM EST

dupe -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 13, 2005, 07:06:29 PM EST

If there's any 'groupthink' here, Mr. Legal Theoretician - (Ashton) - (19) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:34:33 AM EST

conclusions should be made on rationale not gut think - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:20:04 AM EST

Bullpucky - (bepatient) - (17) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:44:40 AM EST

No-one's freedom to choose has been taken away. - (pwhysall) - (7) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:46:11 AM EST

That is in there - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:49:54 AM EST

It's harder to choose because it's not the same. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:10:17 AM EST

But the access to choose - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:14:56 AM EST

By that logic... - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:21:24 AM EST

Chuckle - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:28:37 AM EST

as a matter of fact you might have a hard time keeping them - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:28:41 AM EST

either equal access for all or no access for anyone - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:52:09 AM EST

Suppose this was rural Nevada rather than SF. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:21:52 AM EST

Its a legal occupation - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:30:51 AM EST

prostitution is a venerable profession - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:31:12 AM EST

I misread that as... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:13:08 PM EST

intended this time :-} -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 06:18:01 PM EST

OK Beep, you've convinced me - (Ashton) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2005, 06:44:26 PM EST

WDYHASM? -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 07:30:56 PM EST

(Because it's Broken?) -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 14, 2005, 07:44:37 PM EST

Judging by infected computers . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 14, 2005, 07:44:33 PM EST

ya might want to check into title 9 etc - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 11:18:38 PM EST

Ya might want to actually read my post - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 12, 2005, 11:25:14 PM EST

Now wait just a minute! - (imqwerky) - (4) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:10:54 PM EST

And there you go. - (bepatient) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:20:21 PM EST

Use the source, Q! - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:35:56 PM EST

May the Source be with me! -NT - (imqwerky) - Nov. 12, 2005, 11:40:45 PM EST

A hitch is 8 years these days. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:22:14 PM EST

Reality check. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:22:05 AM EST

Let the attacks continue - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:26:06 AM EST

So, you're saying the military doesn't mislead? - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:34:06 AM EST

Not saying any such thing. - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:40:28 AM EST

Bad form. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:43:51 AM EST

And assume - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:45:32 AM EST

Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:48:51 AM EST

Wasn't a claim - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:17:15 PM EST

The Supreme Court to weigh in on school recruiting. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:32:07 PM EST

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