Yep...and it means

Post #230,800 by Simon_Jester 10/25/05 11:32:38 AM Reply	Yep...and it means it's VERY likely to get much worse. The groups are easily identifable and given the numbers; they are very likely to feel like (if not actually) they are being oppressed. Given the fighting that's already going on, it's going to be very hard for this not to go to civil war.
Post #230,906 by marlowe 10/25/05 7:44:25 PM Reply	Hope springs eternal, eh? But the fact is, democracy won and there's nothing you can do about it. It's over. In fact, the outcome was decided the moment Dubya decided to fight back. Also, how do you define civil war? And how does it differ from Saddam's slaughters of Kurds and Shia Arabs? Or the so-called insurgency, for that matter? If you take Saddam's Iraq seriously as a nation, then it was a nation in a constant state of civil war all the time he was in power. The only difference is now his side is out of power and being slowly wiped out. They couldn't prevent the election. They couldn't prevent the ratification vote. They couldn't prevent the trial of Saddam. Are you saying they haven't been trying their damndest? There's something they've been holding back? All they know is how to kill civilians and manipulate the media a bit. And that's not enough. We know how to free people, and - incidentally - how to kill the people we're freeing them from. We're not so good at manipulating the main stream media, but the MSM is on the way out anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------- 4 out of 5 Iraqis choose democracy! If you don't like my posts, don't click on them. Never mind the AP. Here's the real Iraq reporting: [link\|http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/\|http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/] "The period of debate is closed. Arms, as the last resort, decide the contest." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense
Post #230,969 by Andrew Grygus 10/26/05 1:14:13 AM Reply	Delusional fantasy on a monumental scale. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #230,998 by Simon_Jester 10/26/05 11:08:24 AM Reply	I'm too realistic for hoping eternal... hoping eternal is ignoring reality. Also, how do you define civil war? And how does it differ from Saddam's slaughters of Kurds and Shia Arabs? Or the so-called insurgency, for that matter? If you take Saddam's Iraq seriously as a nation, then it was a nation in a constant state of civil war all the time he was in power. Yep, very good. You're learning. The only difference is now his side is out of power and being slowly wiped out. Yep, and now we see what you stand for - genocide. (And if you remember correctly - I called you on it almost 2 years ago). BTW: for the record, you can't free ANYONE. They free themselves. Period. Do I support the idea of civil war in Iraq? No, I don't want to see it happen. I would have rather seen 3 different states formed (Kurdish, Sunni, etc.) Does the Constitution stand a chance at unifying Iraq? Absolutely. (But there's going to be a LOT of blood along the way) Am I crazy enough to suggest our troops need to be standing at ground zero while Iraq is unified? Well, one of us is.
Post #231,016 by tuberculosis 10/26/05 1:38:08 PM Reply	Democracy won, its over? Troops home any second then? Incidentally, your "team" is looking like a bunch of traitors headed for the gallows. They don't know the meaning of the words "freedom" or "democracy". "Torture" OTOH, they're fine with. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #231,092 by Ashton 10/26/05 8:04:02 PM Reply	Self-mutilation of a mind - what causes that?
Post #231,228 by scoenye 10/27/05 4:02:06 PM Reply	And here we go... [link\|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4382164.stm\|http://news.bbc.co.u..._east/4382164.stm] Deliberate Sunni on Shia ambush. 20+ to be avenged.
Post #231,229 by GBert 10/27/05 5:02:37 PM Reply	....it's another Catastrophic Success (R)!! Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that.

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