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Post #229,362 by ben_tilly 10/12/05 5:05:20 PM Reply	I didn't That is part of the wrong question. It is relevant to the "Atheists are going to Hell!" debate, not the, "Are atheists nice people?" debate. The former question is hard to collect any solid information on. The latter is much easier to, but a lot of people don't like what the collectable information seems to say. (And it is very easy to debate what the collectable information really means - which is what we're doing here.) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #229,368 by drewk 10/12/05 5:19:16 PM Reply	No, it goes to why they do what they do "They" being some Christians. If they believe it's strictly about grace, and not about works, then it doesn't matter what their works are. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #229,369 by ben_tilly 10/12/05 5:19:59 PM 10/12/05 5:20:37 PM Reply	Point. "Jesus died for your sins, make it worth his while!" I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother) Edited by ben_tilly Oct. 12, 2005, 05:20:37 PM EDT Expand All History

What do you call a liberal Christian? - (ChrisR) - (62) - Oct. 10, 2005, 03:09:50 PM EDT

That 'Joan of Arc' bit had to be . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 10, 2005, 03:52:53 PM EDT

Both Church and State have the same dilemma - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 10, 2005, 05:47:06 PM EDT

Illuminating. - (static) - (56) - Oct. 10, 2005, 11:30:07 PM EDT

Well, there's glory for you. - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Oct. 11, 2005, 01:23:31 AM EDT

My favorite is still . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 11, 2005, 02:37:19 AM EDT

Isn't Occident what happens when you don't plan sufficiently -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:05:03 PM EDT

..only if your oc'cent is on the wrong syl-la'-ble -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2005, 07:54:18 PM EDT

But consider this... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Oct. 12, 2005, 12:53:55 AM EDT

This is true. - (static) - (2) - Oct. 12, 2005, 12:16:15 AM EDT

Be careful what you wish for. :-) Consider China in 20 yrs. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2005, 12:33:40 AM EDT

Interesting point. - (static) - Oct. 12, 2005, 12:35:50 AM EDT

their image is different from mine also - (boxley) - (47) - Oct. 11, 2005, 06:23:46 PM EDT

I'm NOT just unhappy with the TV preachers - (ben_tilly) - (46) - Oct. 11, 2005, 06:42:30 PM EDT

I wipe my ass with your statistics - (boxley) - (42) - Oct. 11, 2005, 07:02:06 PM EDT

No no no, you've got it all wrong - (jake123) - Oct. 11, 2005, 07:35:14 PM EDT

The "no true Scotsman" fallacy, in a new guise! - (ben_tilly) - (40) - Oct. 11, 2005, 07:53:08 PM EDT

show me comparison stats - (bepatient) - (16) - Oct. 11, 2005, 09:05:20 PM EDT

You can google for them yourself - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Oct. 11, 2005, 09:26:04 PM EDT

"Christian" - (bepatient) - (14) - Oct. 12, 2005, 08:08:49 AM EDT

No true Scotsman again? - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Oct. 12, 2005, 01:10:58 PM EDT

Don't forget the "not by deeds" thing - (drewk) - (6) - Oct. 12, 2005, 01:38:06 PM EDT

Bah! I googled anyway. :-P - (imqwerky) - Oct. 12, 2005, 01:48:54 PM EDT

I didn't - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 12, 2005, 05:05:20 PM EDT

No, it goes to why they do what they do - (drewk) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2005, 05:19:16 PM EDT

Point. "Jesus died for your sins, make it worth his while!" -NT - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 12, 2005, 05:20:37 PM EDT

I think it's in Ephesians. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2005, 05:58:46 PM EDT

But it's a common word - - (Ashton) - Oct. 12, 2005, 06:41:56 PM EDT

I am playing my little violin for you - (boxley) - (4) - Oct. 12, 2005, 02:34:27 PM EDT

-3 for even hinting about . . . a Statistical 'Proof' of - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2005, 03:48:40 PM EDT

I didnt bring statistics in here, look ..I.. that way :-) -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 12, 2005, 04:00:58 PM EDT

Read, in context, please - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2005, 05:11:00 PM EDT

Fair Dinkum - (boxley) - Oct. 12, 2005, 06:59:16 PM EDT

I believe your research. - (static) - Oct. 12, 2005, 08:40:49 PM EDT

still wiping ass with your stats - (boxley) - (22) - Oct. 11, 2005, 10:48:49 PM EDT

Correction for you - (ben_tilly) - (21) - Oct. 11, 2005, 11:13:05 PM EDT

There are only two precepts by which a Christian should live - (imqwerky) - (19) - Oct. 11, 2005, 11:55:55 PM EDT

Timelier every day. - (Ashton) - Oct. 22, 2005, 09:46:15 PM EDT

love except - (boxley) - Oct. 23, 2005, 12:38:20 AM EDT

s/two/ten/ -NT - (pwhysall) - (16) - Oct. 23, 2005, 01:29:40 AM EDT

that's so old testament - (cforde) - (15) - Oct. 24, 2005, 02:47:19 AM EDT

That depends on how attractive your neighbour's wife is ;-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 24, 2005, 04:08:41 AM EDT

Where'd he do that? - (pwhysall) - (12) - Oct. 24, 2005, 06:08:04 AM EDT

that's the fundamental difference between... - (cforde) - (11) - Oct. 25, 2005, 02:35:05 AM EDT

Ar, but where does he rescind the Ten Commandments? - (pwhysall) - (10) - Oct. 25, 2005, 04:38:48 AM EDT

If ya wanna get picky... - (imqwerky) - (8) - Oct. 25, 2005, 09:10:08 PM EDT

wrong, per his own words - (boxley) - (7) - Oct. 25, 2005, 09:29:10 PM EDT

Any chance you could break that down - (Silverlock) - (6) - Oct. 25, 2005, 09:48:21 PM EDT

Ummm - that was 100% readable. -NT - (imric) - Oct. 25, 2005, 09:58:07 PM EDT

Actually, clear enough. - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2005, 10:09:02 PM EDT

no Jesus was a hetro with a toe fetish - (boxley) - (2) - Oct. 25, 2005, 10:21:14 PM EDT

Thought that's what you meant. - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 25, 2005, 10:57:53 PM EDT

'Toe fetish' my ass - (Ashton) - Oct. 25, 2005, 11:09:40 PM EDT

sure - (boxley) - Oct. 25, 2005, 10:12:12 PM EDT

it's the same stuff - (cforde) - Oct. 26, 2005, 03:33:00 AM EDT

or so Paul claimed, Jesus said he wouldnt change the law -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 24, 2005, 10:37:29 AM EDT

I find much more reasonable the Ancient Egyptian . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 12, 2005, 12:03:25 AM EDT

The Gospel of Luke...if the shoe fits... - (imqwerky) - (2) - Oct. 12, 2005, 06:22:08 PM EDT

you are describing neocons :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2005, 07:01:37 PM EDT

Bingo! -NT - (imqwerky) - Oct. 12, 2005, 07:11:59 PM EDT

An oxymoron. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Oct. 11, 2005, 11:12:49 AM EDT

Answer: - (imqwerky) - (1) - Oct. 11, 2005, 09:49:05 PM EDT

OK - you pass - (Ashton) - Oct. 12, 2005, 05:48:56 AM EDT

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