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New 'Rescuing Jesus' - by Alessandro Camon
[link|http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/10/07/jesus/index1.html| Salon]

Of course - all along - we have heard from various quarters that: these zealots do not represent (the majority? the Real- the Good-) Christians or apparently, as "statistics" would support: the Silent Christians.

In any event, clearly the majority, the Real, the Good and the Silent ones plus The Rest of us: are about to see a radical Evangelical coup-for-Life -- within a different branch of Government, next: the Judiciary.

2/3 of this secular governance controlled by the zealot-end of the religious spectrum (is that debatable?)

Putative 'religion'? (or maybe not 'real Religion?' at all) - it is bloody evidently Jesus Politics (as if they Could be separated..) more blatant than the days of Father Coughlan, 70 years ago. We have a long history of wackos with microphones and large followings - and I read that 'Good Christians' also disavowed allegiance to Coughlan's bizarre mixture of Calvinism + fascism. (But quietly then, too.)

So, with the author I wonder: are These Guys 'Christian' at all?
(And can the former Republic survive, not the One-Party with Two Right Wings, but: The One US Christian Party.. for more than a few months, say? before the guns come out.

(But if they are bogus - what are the odds we can find A Few Good Christians to help get them out of our Constitutional government - by helping with the Impeachments?)
Don't Good Christians impeach charlatans?
Besides.. it's safe to dissent now: only ~ 1/3 'approve'. Window-of-Opportunity.

Bush & Co. have hijacked Jesus, using him as the poster child for their callous worldview. It's time to rescue Christ from his kidnappers.

By Alessandro Camon
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Oct. 7, 2005 | Harriet Miers, should she be confirmed to the Supreme Court, will be the resident evangelical Christian. She shares her religious background with George W. Bush, whose claim to have chosen her based on "knowing her heart" has as much to do with the born-again faith he shares with her as with her long service in his inner circle. This choice might have left secular conservatives perplexed or downright dissatisfied, but is an obvious crowd-pleaser with the Christian right. Above all, it reflects the importance of Christianity for Bush, widely described as the most devout president in history.

But as we brace for more battles over abortion rights, gay marriage, stem cell research and so forth, it's time for ask just how Christian the supposedly pious Bush administration really is. Because what happened in New Orleans, and what has been happening in Iraq, raises serious questions about whether Bush & Co. deserve to be called Christian at all.

Natural disasters are often labeled "acts of God." Those who take the expression literally may think that God is punishing our sins (a belief shared by some Christians with those Muslims who think Katrina is Allah's reprisal), or they may struggle to reconcile the idea of an infinitely good God with the devastation he brings upon us. But you don't have to take the expression literally to feel that natural disasters call into question the meaning of life. They cut us down to size, and challenge us to rise up again. They make us mourn for the dead and reach out for the survivors. If we do believe in God, even just a little bit, they are a true test of our faith, and an opportunity to do what we preach: to give, to comfort, to assist.

Wars are acts of man, yet all too often are fought for a "holy" cause, painted as deeds of "infinite justice" or "crusades" of good vs. evil. But it's when we look at the victims that faith is truly tested. A religious person will have the chance to show all his horror, regret, compassion, forgiveness. In war, many parents will lose their children, a sacrifice so profound that it is more than a human being can be expected to bear; a sacrifice that is, in fact, made by God -- the Christian one -- and proof of godliness. (In one of the harshest and most controversial biblical tales, Abraham is ready to sacrifice his son before God, as he believes God asked him to do, but God stops him before he goes through with it. However one wants to interpret the tale -- whether it's about obedience or misunderstanding -- the point is, God doesn't actually want to impose on a parent the loss of a child.) To those who suffer such a loss, we have a chance -- and an obligation -- to offer utmost solidarity.

The administration's lethargic and callous response to the call after Hurricane Katrina, just like the president's coldheartedness toward Cindy Sheehan, suggests that the people who govern us are as willing to invoke Jesus as their guide, their inspiration, even their "favorite philosopher," as they are firmly unwilling to behave anything like Jesus.

"What would Jesus do?" has been a favorite slogan of the Christian right. It's a rhetorical question, meant to display lofty concerns and stake the high ground. It's not meant to be answered; in fact it's usually not even asked in relation to the things Jesus cared about.

It's time to put that question to better use.

Should a nation rush into an unprovoked war whose justification is weak at best, and fraudulent at worst? What would Jesus do?

A mother mourning the death of her son in that war asks for a chance to speak to the president about her grief, and to have her questions answered. What would Jesus do?

Thousands of men, women and children are left behind in the flood with no food, drinkable water or medical aid. What would Jesus do?

Would Jesus rush to war, or neglect to interrupt his vacation to meet the mother of a dead soldier, or abandon the people of a ravaged city? Would he promote tax breaks for the rich, undercut education, support the death penalty?

The answers are painfully easy. We know what Jesus would do, because he did do it, or talked about it in no uncertain terms. Jesus was for peace, for the poor, for the afflicted, for the children, and against the death penalty -- of which he was a victim. Anybody who denies this, or who argues that it's possible to be a good Christian without adhering to these basic positions, is basically betraying Christ.

We could ask some harder questions. Would Jesus really frown upon homosexuality? Would he seek to prolong life at all cost, even when in the form of a persistent vegetative state? Here many believe the answers are in the affirmative, or at least much more uncertain. But homosexuality existed in Jesus' times. And what Jesus had to say about it was, in one word, nothing. Unlike poverty, it just wasn't a concern. As far as pulling the plug, being a Christian means to believe that life doesn't end with the physical death of this body, on this earth. That's when a far better, everlasting life begins. (The one legitimately complex issue is abortion, and one can see a case for Jesus being generally against it; still, it is not something he directly spoke about.)


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The American Christian right has hijacked Jesus Christ. It has made him into a brand, a logo, a bumper sticker. It celebrates his suffering on the cross, but largely neglects what he had to say. It prefers an Old Testament God, a "Jealous God, visiting the sins of the fathers upon the children." It elevates success to proof of God's favor, and washes its hands of responsibility for the poor. It combines a self-righteous vision of Americans as the chosen people with shrill intimations of imminent apocalypse, to justify indifference to the rest of the world and to the planet itself. It sticks to the letter of the Bible with arbitrary selectiveness, so that it can endorse creationism and condemn homosexuality while acknowledging that (contrary to Old Testament wisdom) the earth is in fact round, and slavery is not OK.

It's a twisted, schizophrenic form of religion that mirrors the most reactionary form of Islam. (Not by chance, both the Christian right and conservative Muslims are at odds with women's rights, and fiercely homophobic.)

A lot can be said about the theological fallacies and over-simplifications of the Christian right. Take the way it reads the Commandments. What, for example, does "not to take the Lord's name in vain" mean? Is it a prohibition against using the word "God" in casual conversation? Or does it forbid Christians from going to war in the name of God? And what about "love thy neighbor"? Does it refer to the guy next door, who shares our tax bracket? Or is it about all of our fellow humans, whether similar or different? In fact, is it not an exhortation to love precisely those who are different?

Most important, though, is how Christians actually relate to Christ.

Jesus was a poor man. He started a movement of the poor, for the poor. This isn't socialist revisionism: This is what the Gospels say. Jesus defied authority, and spread a message of hope, tolerance, inclusion.

He said:

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal ... For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

He also said:

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Moreover:

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, do not resist one who is evil. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

And of course, he said:

I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. (...) Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brothers, you did it to me.

Does this sound like the voice inspiring this administration? Or the voice they go out of their way to ignore?

Last month, President Bush said that Hurricane Katrina exposed the problem of persistent poverty in this country. But why did the problem need to be exposed in order to warrant his concern? Was the president not aware of it before? And what about poverty in the rest of the world -- a problem that the Bush administration stubbornly refuses to make a priority, which in fact its policies greatly exacerbate?

To hold a president (or a justice) up to such a high standard as the teachings of Jesus would be unfair, if it weren't the president himself who claimed to act in Jesus' name. It's time for Bush, the Republican Party and the Christian right to be confronted with their failings as Christians. If there is a worthy measure of anybody's religious commitment, it has to be how it's expressed in action. It's not how you talk the talk that makes you a true Christian. It's the deeds you do -- and those you don't.

Liberals have let the right claim Jesus for themselves. But the legacy of Christ is far too precious to be left in the hands of the hypocrites who use it to justify war, bigotry and injustice. It is time to reclaim Jesus -- not to start another religious party, but to free him from the one that's hogging him as their poster child. It's time not just to ask "what would Jesus do?" but to actually listen to the answer.

It's about poverty. It's about peace. No true Christian can have anything more important in mind.




Dunno - it may take Guns-at-Home, this time around. Oppression is of the form you encounter; will it come to, Kill a Christian for Christ in Our time?
That would be, clearly - In the American Grain (William Carlos Williams)

The sect in Power are as violent as the Visigoths - whose cheek will turn first?
New They declare themselves 'Christians' . . .
. . quote the Bible and act "in the name of Jesus", so the majority moderate Christians dare not speak against them - that would be anti-Christian.

In fact the majority Christians probably question if their faith is deep enough when they hear the ravings of the radical right and see their political success.

These people are not Christians. They have no concept of the teachings of Jesus. They are more comfortable with the primitive blood drenched authoritarianism of the Old Testament.

The Old Testament is not Christian. Where does it have the blessing of Jesus? It was tacked on to justify an authoritarian church and the murder of heritics. Much of it is "revisionist history" written to justify the aggressive ambitions of certain Judaic kings - and to justify slaughter of their neighbors.

It's high time those (mythical?) "real Christians" tossed that abomination in the dumpster - or they're going to be living and dying by it's worst implications.

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Mythical, huh?
If you mythical non-christians would have gotten off your butts and voted against W, we wouldn't be in this mess. I guess too many of you tacitly support the radical right's goals, though. If you REALLY exist, that is.
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 

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New Remember, it's Drew and JB's fault.
But mostly Drew's.

[link|http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/|Electoral Map].

All Drew had to do was get 59,301 of his closest friends to change their votes from GWB to JFK and Kerry would have won. But noooooooooooooo....

;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New I live on the other side of town from Drew, but I get a pass
I've only got 58,000 friends, plus or minus a few, so it wouldn't have made a difference...
New Ok, just this once. :-)
New I've got about 57,500
But they're probably mostly the same ones as Hugh, so it wouldn't have done any good.
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New I expect we had a pretty good turn-out . . .
. . myself included. Unfortunately we didn't have a simplisticly powerful two word slogan like "gay marriage" to swing the sound-bite eating righteous masses our way.

Watch for "gay marriage" to be on the ballot again next election, even in states where it's already illegal, just as it was in the last election. It's the righteous thing for "Christians" to do, you know.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New No, must increase the vitriol:___'Gay Christian-muggers'

New Such a pity gay men can't be accused of having abortions...
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New They eat children you know....
New Pedophiles all



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Wouldn't that be 'pedophage' . . .
. . or are you thinking of "eating children" in a different context?
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New I was



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
     Bush: God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them - (tuberculosis) - (44)
         What God? Moloch? -NT - (imric)
         Its a manner of speaking, not a aural relay -NT - (boxley) - (5)
             I'm unconvinced... - (hnick) - (4)
                 Clarification? - (drewk) - (2)
                     The latter... - (hnick) - (1)
                         Or take a page from Studio 54 lore - (drewk)
                 Uhhh..We'd get better government? - (jb4)
         Hearing voices in his head? - (imqwerky) - (5)
             You didn't know that? -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                 Wish he would hear - (imqwerky) - (3)
                     Funny how the people that God talks to - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                         It happens, I think. - (imric)
                         ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4)
         Run! Get out... umm... not a revelation. - (warmachine) - (3)
             Here: 4) given a Tee Vee show. -NT - (Ashton) - (1)
                 Stole my thunder -NT - (bepatient)
             sounds like you are describing recycling worshippers -NT - (boxley)
         This is truly frightening - (bionerd) - (3)
             Re: This is truly frightening - (Ashton)
             Trivia I've heard, in WW II *both* sides used astrologers! - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                 both sides had bureau of the occult - (boxley)
         'Rescuing Jesus' - by Alessandro Camon - (Ashton) - (13)
             They declare themselves 'Christians' . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (12)
                 Mythical, huh? - (imric) - (11)
                     Remember, it's Drew and JB's fault. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         I live on the other side of town from Drew, but I get a pass - (hnick) - (2)
                             Ok, just this once. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                             I've got about 57,500 - (drewk)
                     I expect we had a pretty good turn-out . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                         No, must increase the vitriol:___'Gay Christian-muggers' -NT - (Ashton) - (5)
                             Such a pity gay men can't be accused of having abortions... -NT - (Meerkat) - (4)
                                 They eat children you know.... -NT - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                     Pedophiles all -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                         Wouldn't that be 'pedophage' . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                             I was -NT - (tuberculosis)
         That nice bit of info comes - (Arkadiy) - (8)
             In court..dismissed as hearsay. -NT - (bepatient) - (6)
                 Agree. - (Ashton) - (5)
                     Not unthinkable - (bepatient) - (4)
                         (Clarified, for any literal readers: ""Unthinkable"") -NT - (Ashton) - (3)
                             Just whose point are you clarifying? - (bepatient) - (2)
                                 Thought my "" were so implicit as to Need no 'clarification' - (Ashton) - (1)
                                     Hard enough - (bepatient)
             Normally agree with you except this is Bush faith government -NT - (warmachine)

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