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New You should read him in his posts.
The statement was a correct statement.

You may dislike the speaker and suspect the motives of the speaker for picking that example. But when you say that people cannot say the truth because you don't like to hear it, that's called censorship.


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The statement he was defending as a "correct, true" statement was this:

But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.


Now, I know it's impossible that coming to the conclusion that aborting every black pregnancy would result in a lowered crime rate involved much in the way of reason, but I'm not the one who said the statement was a "correct, true" statement. If, as you say, Ben's reasoning is different, why did he claim the statement was true and correct?
bcnu,
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To the extent that any prediction based on statistics can be called "true", that statement is true.
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Expand Edited by drewk Sept. 30, 2005, 05:13:10 PM EDT
     Bill Bennett demostrates he is a racist - (JayMehaffey) - (101)
         So are you saying poorosity and blackness *don't* correlate? - (CRConrad) - (65)
             Bill Bennett: - (jb4) - (64)
                 Make no mistake yourself - (ben_tilly) - (63)
                     Mandatory enforced abortions will lead to lower crime rates? -NT - (Another Scott)
                     Uh, Ben...Read me in my posts, dude! - (jb4) - (10)
                         You claim the statement is racist. I claim it is factual. - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                             C'mon Ben...you know me better 'n that! - (jb4) - (1)
                                 Thank you for the clarification. - (ben_tilly)
                         want to explain why stating a fact makes you racist? -NT - (boxley) - (6)
                             Fact? What fact? - (jb4) - (5)
                                 Of course crime rate would go down - (boxley) - (4)
                                     What do you mean by rate? - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                         youts cause crime,removing youts lessens crime -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                             True! - (ben_tilly)
                                             Now we're Getting somewhere! - (Ashton)
                     Other correct statement - legalizing drugs will act similar - (tuberculosis)
                     Can we see even a hand-waving proof of that? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (49)
                         I didn't think so. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                             Gimme time to type!!! - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                 Okay. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                     Look at timestamps!!! - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                         Touchy, aren't ya? - (mmoffitt)
                         Sure - (ben_tilly) - (43)
                             I dunno - (pwhysall) - (19)
                                 That one is admittedly harder to prove - (ben_tilly) - (18)
                                     Wouldn't last - (drewk) - (17)
                                         Then show me Canada's permanent underclass -NT - (ben_tilly) - (16)
                                             I don't know Canadian society that well - (drewk) - (13)
                                                 They don't but... - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                                     I'm not talking about capitalism, but about human nature - (drewk) - (11)
                                                         Confirmed! 'He who is not One Up is One Down' - (Ashton)
                                                         Slavery also used to be defended as inevitable... - (ben_tilly) - (9)
                                                             Where did you see me defending it? - (drewk) - (8)
                                                                 "defended" might be the wrong word - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                                                                     I may have noticed another aspect - (Ashton)
                                                                     Lots of disagreements - (drewk) - (5)
                                                                         On that last bit... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                             I don't know about that - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                                 You might have a point - see "stranger anxiety" -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                                             ethiopian comment, they are racially distinct - (boxley)
                                                                         We do have several disagreements - (ben_tilly)
                                             go to the nearest reservation.... -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                 Granted, but in numbers and societal impact... - (ben_tilly)
                             Wait a minute... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 Right, he disproved the argument they didn't make - (drewk)
                             Man, you took me literally. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                 "Forever to have nots?" - (imric) - (7)
                                     Let me be a little more clear. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                         I don't see it - (imric) - (3)
                                             If it doesn't have to be that way, can you ... - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                 Sure - (drewk)
                                                 Nope! - (imric)
                                         entrenched underclasses are good for business - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Henry Ford would argue with you. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                 That's not *Ben's* reasoning - (drewk) - (2)
                                     You should read him in his posts. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                         Because it is - (drewk)
                                 Speaking of handwaving... - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                                     What about this... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                         What does "permanent" mean to you? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                             Briefly... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 Then we differ on what permanently means - (ben_tilly)
                                     I would then argue for frenco canadians to hold the place - (boxley) - (3)
                                         Not comparable - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                             well ya were a west coaster, lets have jake weigh in on this - (boxley) - (1)
                                                 Things are very different now - (jake123)
         Jessie Jackson is a racist too. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
             Other cool PC issue - (drewk) - (3)
                 Where do you suppose the people in the West Indies came from -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                     China. - (Another Scott)
                 It's not Africa that's the problem . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Well, yes - (JayMehaffey) - (2)
                 The question a racist always has to ask, - (Ashton) - (1)
                     They called them indefinitely indentured servants. -NT - (folkert)
         Wrong. Proves hes a statistician - (bepatient) - (20)
             Are all statisticians racist, then? -NT - (mmoffitt)
             A poor one though. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                 You're right, but for the wrong reason - (drewk) - (12)
                     Superbly stated reason why - - (Ashton)
                     A slightly different view. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                         Both your views are 'right' IMO - (Ashton)
                         I think you're misunderstanding his point - (drewk) - (8)
                             Bingo - (bepatient) - (7)
                                 Yes, but be-Not a smug Boolean-head - I know it's Hard, here - (Ashton) - (6)
                                     From you, that's ironic - (drewk) - (4)
                                         Et tu captain clarity: Not. At. All. - (Ashton) - (3)
                                             If by "slogan word" you meant "racism" ... he didn't say it - (drewk) - (2)
                                                 [Raises hand] - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                     Oohhh.. spinning the def'n of spin! - (Ashton)
                                     Did you hear the entire thread of his show? - (boxley)
             I would suspect both - (JayMehaffey) - (4)
                 No, he is not "literally" saying what you claim he is - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                     No argument with your qualified restatement, except - - (Ashton) - (2)
                         You don't understand. Gambling is a Virtue. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             I know.. Guido 'told' me. -NT - (Ashton)
         Jesse weighs in on Bennett (new thread) - (drewk)
         This thread reminds me of a classic PG essay (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
         Just an idiot not a racist - (andread) - (3)
             :-) - (Another Scott) - (2)
                 Spin? - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     Considering the original topic seemed to be Social Security - (Another Scott)

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