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Post #227,271 by boxley 9/30/05 9:24:22 AM Reply	want to explain why stating a fact makes you racist? "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,281 by jb4 9/30/05 9:49:14 AM Reply	Fact? What fact? Show me how "abort[ing] every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down" is a fact. Go ahead...I'll wait... jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #227,287 by boxley 9/30/05 10:05:48 AM Reply	Of course crime rate would go down removing a percentage of any population will cause the crime rate to go down at the preportionate population level. Substitute latin asian white or amerindian for black and the statement is still valid. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,312 by ben_tilly 9/30/05 11:31:38 AM Reply	What do you mean by rate? Crime is usually measured in units like "murders/rapes/burlary/etc per 100,000". Which would not change just by changing the population. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,367 by boxley 9/30/05 2:59:29 PM Reply	youts cause crime,removing youts lessens crime "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,382 by ben_tilly 9/30/05 4:02:06 PM Reply	True! My understanding is that NYC's falling crime statistics in the 90s was largely due to shifting demographics. Fewer teenagers and young adults per capita => less crime. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,390 by Ashton 9/30/05 4:34:14 PM Reply	Now we're Getting somewhere! ZPG was a stealth acronym - If we eliminate all new homo-sap births (since few animals are ever convicted of crime, except in certain backwoods churches) - a seeming oxymoron can be: A Crime-free world community! ~60ish years later.

Bill Bennett demostrates he is a racist - (JayMehaffey) - (101) - Sept. 29, 2005, 01:12:39 PM EDT

So are you saying poorosity and blackness *don't* correlate? - (CRConrad) - (65) - Sept. 29, 2005, 02:07:50 PM EDT

Bill Bennett: - (jb4) - (64) - Sept. 29, 2005, 05:52:57 PM EDT

Make no mistake yourself - (ben_tilly) - (63) - Sept. 29, 2005, 06:00:17 PM EDT

Mandatory enforced abortions will lead to lower crime rates? -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 29, 2005, 06:11:30 PM EDT

Uh, Ben...Read me in my posts, dude! - (jb4) - (10) - Sept. 29, 2005, 06:20:40 PM EDT

You claim the statement is racist. I claim it is factual. - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Sept. 29, 2005, 08:37:40 PM EDT

C'mon Ben...you know me better 'n that! - (jb4) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 09:47:02 AM EDT

Thank you for the clarification. - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 30, 2005, 12:04:00 PM EDT

want to explain why stating a fact makes you racist? -NT - (boxley) - (6) - Sept. 30, 2005, 09:24:22 AM EDT

Fact? What fact? - (jb4) - (5) - Sept. 30, 2005, 09:49:14 AM EDT

Of course crime rate would go down - (boxley) - (4) - Sept. 30, 2005, 10:05:48 AM EDT

What do you mean by rate? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 30, 2005, 11:31:38 AM EDT

youts cause crime,removing youts lessens crime -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Sept. 30, 2005, 02:59:29 PM EDT

True! - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 30, 2005, 04:02:06 PM EDT

Now we're Getting somewhere! - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 04:34:14 PM EDT

Other correct statement - legalizing drugs will act similar - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 29, 2005, 06:55:54 PM EDT

Can we see even a hand-waving proof of that? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (49) - Sept. 30, 2005, 10:06:28 AM EDT

I didn't think so. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Sept. 30, 2005, 11:40:25 AM EDT

Gimme time to type!!! - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 30, 2005, 12:06:51 PM EDT

Okay. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 30, 2005, 02:02:22 PM EDT

Look at timestamps!!! - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 04:00:42 PM EDT

Touchy, aren't ya? - (mmoffitt) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:10:17 PM EDT

Sure - (ben_tilly) - (43) - Sept. 30, 2005, 12:02:52 PM EDT

I dunno - (pwhysall) - (19) - Sept. 30, 2005, 12:53:35 PM EDT

That one is admittedly harder to prove - (ben_tilly) - (18) - Sept. 30, 2005, 01:14:08 PM EDT

Wouldn't last - (drewk) - (17) - Sept. 30, 2005, 01:39:18 PM EDT

Then show me Canada's permanent underclass -NT - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Sept. 30, 2005, 03:51:19 PM EDT

I don't know Canadian society that well - (drewk) - (13) - Sept. 30, 2005, 03:54:42 PM EDT

They don't but... - (ben_tilly) - (12) - Sept. 30, 2005, 04:05:37 PM EDT

I'm not talking about capitalism, but about human nature - (drewk) - (11) - Sept. 30, 2005, 04:21:08 PM EDT

Confirmed! 'He who is not One Up is One Down' - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 05:17:51 PM EDT

Slavery also used to be defended as inevitable... - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Sept. 30, 2005, 06:30:49 PM EDT

Where did you see me defending it? - (drewk) - (8) - Sept. 30, 2005, 09:25:07 PM EDT

"defended" might be the wrong word - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Sept. 30, 2005, 10:01:55 PM EDT

I may have noticed another aspect - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 11:05:15 PM EDT

Lots of disagreements - (drewk) - (5) - Sept. 30, 2005, 11:08:59 PM EDT

On that last bit... - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 30, 2005, 11:33:40 PM EDT

I don't know about that - (drewk) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2005, 12:51:31 AM EDT

You might have a point - see "stranger anxiety" -NT - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 1, 2005, 12:02:24 PM EDT

ethiopian comment, they are racially distinct - (boxley) - Oct. 1, 2005, 09:47:19 AM EDT

We do have several disagreements - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 1, 2005, 12:18:21 PM EDT

go to the nearest reservation.... -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2005, 09:44:12 AM EDT

Granted, but in numbers and societal impact... - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 1, 2005, 12:00:12 PM EDT

Wait a minute... - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 01:31:19 PM EDT

Right, he disproved the argument they didn't make - (drewk) - Sept. 30, 2005, 01:41:12 PM EDT

Man, you took me literally. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Sept. 30, 2005, 02:09:34 PM EDT

"Forever to have nots?" - (imric) - (7) - Sept. 30, 2005, 02:21:05 PM EDT

Let me be a little more clear. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Sept. 30, 2005, 03:52:23 PM EDT

I don't see it - (imric) - (3) - Sept. 30, 2005, 04:17:41 PM EDT

If it doesn't have to be that way, can you ... - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:05:37 PM EDT

Sure - (drewk) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:11:28 PM EDT

Nope! - (imric) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:12:51 PM EDT

entrenched underclasses are good for business - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2005, 09:50:58 AM EDT

Henry Ford would argue with you. -NT - (Another Scott) - Oct. 1, 2005, 09:57:14 AM EDT

That's not *Ben's* reasoning - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 30, 2005, 02:29:28 PM EDT

You should read him in his posts. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 03:49:39 PM EDT

Because it is - (drewk) - Sept. 30, 2005, 05:13:10 PM EDT

Speaking of handwaving... - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Sept. 30, 2005, 03:58:55 PM EDT

What about this... - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 30, 2005, 04:29:39 PM EDT

What does "permanent" mean to you? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Sept. 30, 2005, 06:19:00 PM EDT

Briefly... - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 07:32:01 PM EDT

Then we differ on what permanently means - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 30, 2005, 08:16:30 PM EDT

I would then argue for frenco canadians to hold the place - (boxley) - (3) - Oct. 1, 2005, 09:56:43 AM EDT

Not comparable - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 1, 2005, 11:58:05 AM EDT

well ya were a west coaster, lets have jake weigh in on this - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2005, 06:43:13 PM EDT

Things are very different now - (jake123) - Oct. 3, 2005, 03:50:18 PM EDT

Jessie Jackson is a racist too. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Sept. 29, 2005, 03:02:09 PM EDT

Other cool PC issue - (drewk) - (3) - Sept. 29, 2005, 03:12:16 PM EDT

Where do you suppose the people in the West Indies came from -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Sept. 29, 2005, 03:25:44 PM EDT

China. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 29, 2005, 03:34:38 PM EDT

It's not Africa that's the problem . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 29, 2005, 03:31:38 PM EDT

Well, yes - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Sept. 29, 2005, 03:47:43 PM EDT

The question a racist always has to ask, - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 29, 2005, 04:13:22 PM EDT

They called them indefinitely indentured servants. -NT - (folkert) - Sept. 29, 2005, 04:34:26 PM EDT

Wrong. Proves hes a statistician - (bepatient) - (20) - Sept. 29, 2005, 04:41:23 PM EDT

Are all statisticians racist, then? -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 29, 2005, 04:54:54 PM EDT

A poor one though. - (Another Scott) - (13) - Sept. 29, 2005, 05:03:11 PM EDT

You're right, but for the wrong reason - (drewk) - (12) - Sept. 29, 2005, 05:10:58 PM EDT

Superbly stated reason why - - (Ashton) - Sept. 29, 2005, 05:50:47 PM EDT

A slightly different view. - (Another Scott) - (10) - Sept. 29, 2005, 06:10:03 PM EDT

Both your views are 'right' IMO - (Ashton) - Sept. 29, 2005, 06:58:00 PM EDT

I think you're misunderstanding his point - (drewk) - (8) - Sept. 29, 2005, 07:45:25 PM EDT

Bingo - (bepatient) - (7) - Oct. 1, 2005, 04:37:39 AM EDT

Yes, but be-Not a smug Boolean-head - I know it's Hard, here - (Ashton) - (6) - Oct. 1, 2005, 07:50:30 PM EDT

From you, that's ironic - (drewk) - (4) - Oct. 1, 2005, 07:58:39 PM EDT

Et tu captain clarity: Not. At. All. - (Ashton) - (3) - Oct. 1, 2005, 08:39:06 PM EDT

If by "slogan word" you meant "racism" ... he didn't say it - (drewk) - (2) - Oct. 2, 2005, 07:57:51 AM EDT

[Raises hand] - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2005, 11:39:00 AM EDT

Oohhh.. spinning the def'n of spin! - (Ashton) - Oct. 2, 2005, 04:31:19 PM EDT

Did you hear the entire thread of his show? - (boxley) - Oct. 2, 2005, 11:22:18 AM EDT

I would suspect both - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - Sept. 29, 2005, 10:18:00 PM EDT

No, he is not "literally" saying what you claim he is - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 29, 2005, 10:47:15 PM EDT

No argument with your qualified restatement, except - - (Ashton) - (2) - Sept. 29, 2005, 11:04:17 PM EDT

You don't understand. Gambling is a Virtue. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 29, 2005, 11:08:37 PM EDT

I know.. Guido 'told' me. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 05:20:01 PM EDT

Jesse weighs in on Bennett (new thread) - (drewk) - Sept. 30, 2005, 09:27:21 PM EDT

This thread reminds me of a classic PG essay (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 30, 2005, 11:12:53 PM EDT

Just an idiot not a racist - (andread) - (3) - Oct. 1, 2005, 08:56:56 AM EDT

:-) - (Another Scott) - (2) - Oct. 1, 2005, 09:55:53 AM EDT

Spin? - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2005, 11:42:42 AM EDT

Considering the original topic seemed to be Social Security - (Another Scott) - Oct. 1, 2005, 11:58:25 AM EDT

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