I like burgers.

Post #225,665 by Silverlock 9/20/05 9:31:02 PM Reply	I like burgers. But I think I may stop eating them. ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #225,666 by Andrew Grygus 9/20/05 9:39:40 PM Reply	Burgers shouldn't be a Mad Cow problem . . . . . because it's not caried by muscle meats. On the other hand, given current corporate ethics, you might want to grind your own to make sure muscle meat is all that's in there. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #225,690 by ben_tilly 9/21/05 3:17:35 AM Reply	How much do you drive each year? If you drive more than 100 miles per year, each year you have a risk of dying in traffic accidents that is higher than your lifetime risk of getting mad cow from eating beef. (That is if Europe is a guide to what will happen in the USA.) Yes, it is a risk. But if you really like beef, there is no need to go overboard worrying about it. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #225,711 by Silverlock 9/21/05 8:57:38 AM Reply	I don't drive. ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #225,755 by ben_tilly 9/21/05 2:21:17 PM Reply	Do you think that you'll take more than 2 dozen trips by... airplane in your life? [link\|http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm\|http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm] suggests that if you do, then your lifetime risk from flying passed one in a million. Note that if some of your flights have layovers, then your risks mount faster still. While I'm all for reducing the odds of getting BSE, one in a million is remote odds. About your chances of getting murdered this year. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #225,772 by Silverlock 9/21/05 3:34:46 PM Reply	OK Mr statistic I'll switch to an all beef diet pronto. :) ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #225,781 by ben_tilly 9/21/05 4:25:40 PM Reply	Another Atkins convert! My work is done! :-) I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #225,814 by Ashton 9/21/05 6:52:34 PM Reply	Cute, but 'Atkins' remains a simplistic idea - the label kinda connotes digital Yes/No think, thus pissing off the purveyors of (shall we say?) more thoughtful approaches - which see that yes, 'health' does involve consuming less than the average US intake of carbs - but 'fewer carbs' is just part of any intelligent equation. (I've been on one of those Other 'regimens' for over a year, now, and could comment on results - weight-loss yes; mere byproduct: that Wasn't the Point! etc.) Muricans Love the One-shot simplistic Answer, but I expect a bit more of the IWE-depraved :-0 Carrion
Post #225,815 by broomberg 9/21/05 6:53:59 PM Reply	Don't forget the cheese and crispy wings.
Post #225,949 by Silverlock 9/22/05 11:28:49 AM Reply	No chance of that happening ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #226,385 by Andrew Grygus 9/25/05 4:32:33 PM Reply	Evil! Evil! Trans fats! Fast food outfits mostly use partially hydrogenated oils now and their fried items have massive amounts of trans fats. Even the American Heart Association, which long promoted partially hydrogenated oils as a "healthier alternative" is now launching a multi-million dollar campaign denouncing them. They are noted to be the most effective builder of "bad" cholesterol in the blood of any common food. There's controversy about saturated fats, but not about transfats. Of course, if you make your own, you'll be right up against what the fast food folks are up against. Polyunsaturated vegetable oils become rancid carcinogens at deep fry temperatures, health nuts and PETA will crucify you if you use safer beef tallow or lard. That leaves more expensive olive pomace or even more expensive (but higher temperature) rice bran oil. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #226,395 by Another Scott 9/25/05 5:33:25 PM Reply	Any thoughts about Dow's NATREON? There's a full page ad for it in this week's Economist. [link\|http://www.natreon.com\|http://www.natreon.com] Developed by Dow AgroSciences LLC, Natreon* canola oil is a naturally-stable alternative to partially hydrogenated oils used in commercial food applications. Natreon is now readily available to restaurants, food service and food manufacturers. Virtually trans fat-free and low in saturated fat, its use can substantially improve the nutrition profile of food products by reducing both trans fat and saturated fat. I guess if processed sugar can be trademarked, then why not Canola oil... Cheers, Scott.
Post #226,397 by Andrew Grygus 9/25/05 6:30:29 PM 9/25/05 6:51:32 PM Reply	Well, Canola itself is a made-up name . . . . . from "Canada" and "Oil" to designate a non-toxic variety of rapeseed oil (regular rapseed oil is a useful lubricating oil but will destroy your health if you cook with it). The oil profile looks a bit better (7%S 72%M 21%P vs. 7%S 61%M 32%P) than for regular canola oil and its anti-oxidant content is apparently effective given their oxidation claim (21%P is still pretty high and needs good antioxident control). It could be a pretty good frying oil though regular Canola has a smoke point of 400°F, a bit low, so maybe they've been able to move that up a bit? Probably not because they don't mention it. The Omega 3 content is controversial as it is a different form than in fish oil and may not be easily used by the body, so I'd soft pedal that point. Also, evidence against the saturated fats in Olive Oil, and especially Coconut oil (93% saturated) is extremely weak or invalid or non-existant, so I'd discard that point too. On the other hand, Sunflower oil, normally one of the worst frying oils, has been developed to a "high oleic" version that easily exceeds the characteristics of Natreon at 9%S 82%M 9%P and has a 450°F smoke point. The problem for baked goods will be, of course, the low saturated fat content. For many baked goods your choices are generally coconut oil, animal fats, or trans fats. Leaf lard (from around the kidneys of pigs) is the best. A new product also works well, Crisco Zero Trans vegetable shorening, made from a blend of fully hydrogenated cottonseed oil, hard as a hocky puck, and regular vegetable oil to soften it. Guess what "fully hydrogenated" oil is. It's the very same saturated fat the whole vegetable oil sham was supposed get you away from. Olive Oil, by the way, is 15%S 75%M 10%P and Olive Pomace oil can go a touch higher than 450°F. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx] Edited by Andrew Grygus Sept. 25, 2005, 06:51:32 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #225,790 by Andrew Grygus 9/21/05 5:00:46 PM Reply	The Los Angeles Times had an article on this . . . . . Tuesday of this week entitled Fear of Disasters Is Real, but Not Always Rational which included Q&A with a UCLA psychiatrist and expert in mass hysteria and a chart of common causes of death. Mad Cow did't appear, but for your one year chances of death Heart Disease was 1/300, Automobile 1/6,700, Airplane was 1/380,000, Hurricane was 1/17,000,000. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #225,791 by jb4 9/21/05 5:02:40 PM Reply	I imagine my hurricane risk is substantially lessened Due to the fact that there damn few hurricanes in Waukegan.... jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #225,794 by Andrew Grygus 9/21/05 5:09:39 PM Reply	Yea, we don't have 'em here much either, but . . . . . earthquakes didn't make the list. Farthest down they went was Amusement park rides at 1/70,000,000. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #225,793 by ben_tilly 9/21/05 5:05:12 PM Reply	I'll bet the hurricane risk is higher this year I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #225,796 by drewk 9/21/05 5:14:11 PM Reply	No it's not Risk is a predictor. For something that happened in the past I believe you'd want "odds". :-P === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #225,797 by ben_tilly 9/21/05 5:19:41 PM Reply	Point, but Rita's still on the warpath... I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #225,817 by Ashton 9/21/05 7:35:41 PM Reply	Let's not totally-forget 'Gaia' (or by any other name) re these ummm 'statistical aberrations'? - She could be getting a Bit Pissed at the way we'unses are pissing on her peonies, crapping on her sea-life, polluting/vandalizing My Green Fields and otherwise trashing the only nest in sight. She may have figured out just how dull is our attention span - and how we just might Need a nice Phat demo of ~what a Gigaton-of-TNT manifests-like ?? (Hey, this model's got fewer holes than them Revelations comic books - and look at the 63M copies (x $X/per) which That refugee from a Nintendo brainstorming party has managed.)

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