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New British forces attack Iraqi police station
[link|http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1140165|ABC News]
British forces using tanks broke down the walls of the central jail in the southern city of Basra late Monday and freed two Britons, allegedly undercover commandos, who had been arrested on charges of shooting two Iraqi policemen.

Witnesses said about 150 Iraqi prisoners also fled the jail.

OK, this is bad. And by "OK" I mean "WTF" and by "bad." I mean "a cluster F***."

Jay
New Smells funny
The UK was once the world's policeman and know better than this. The British know that there are other diplomatic, bullying or military maneuvers besides tanks. And if you must commit atrocities, don't make it so blatantly obvious. Why do something you know will start riots, hurt troop morale and undermine what you're trying to achieve? The prisoners will keep their mouth shut long enough for a quieter release, with or without people smiling.
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New I certainly does
I wonder if the British felt they had to recover their soldiers before they where lynched. The rumor had surfaced in the area that these guys had been caught planting bombs. Riots and mobs seem to have been growing in the area even before the British moved.

On the other hand, if they where planting bombs it could be that British felt they had to be recovered and any evidence destroyed before the press could get their hands on it.

Of course, something else entirly could be happening here. It's very likely that we won't get any credible story out of this.

Jay
New The people who knew better aren't around anymore.
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George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.

--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
New Wonderful show of respect for local law and order
[link|http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1965572005|http://news.scotsman...cfm?id=1965572005] confirms the story. The British really did do this.

If I was a local Iraqi citizen, the lesson that I would take is that the law doesn't apply to the occupiers. And furthermore that the law is unfair, which won't leave me predisposed to accept that it should apply to me either.

This does not bode well for the future of Iraq.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New BBC story has a different perspective.
[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4262336.stm|Here]:

Two British soldiers whose imprisonment prompted UK troops to storm a Basra police station were later rescued from militia, the Ministry of Defence says.

Brigadier John Lorimer said it was of "deep concern" the men detained by police ended up held by Shia militia.

Basra governor Mohammed al-Waili said the men - possibly working undercover - were arrested for allegedly shooting dead a policeman and wounding another.

The arrests sparked unrest in which Army vehicles were attacked.

In a statement, Brig Lorimer said that under Iraqi law the soldiers should have been handed over to coalition authorities, but this failed to happen despite repeated requests.

"I had good reason to believe that the lives of the soldiers were at risk and troops were sent to the area of Basra near the police station to help ensure their safety by providing a cordon," Brig Lorimer said.


Recall that Basra has seen [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/20/international/middleeast/20basra.html|increasing violence] recently:

The journalist, Fakher Haider, 38, was found with his hands bound and a bag over his head in a deserted area on the outskirts of Basra, in southern Iraq, hours after being taken from his house in that city. A relative who viewed his body in the city morgue said he had at least one bullet hole in his head and bruises on his back as if he had been beaten.

Mr. Haider had worked for The Times since April 2003 and had recently reported on the growing friction and violence among Basra's rival Shiite militias, which are widely believed to have infiltrated the police.

[...]

Mr. Haider is the second journalist to be killed in Basra in the past two months. In August, Steven Vincent, an American freelance reporter who was writing a book about the city, was abducted along with his Iraqi interpreter, and he was later found dead. The interpreter remains hospitalized.

Days earlier, Mr. Vincent had written an Op-Ed article for The Times in which he criticized the British security forces in the city for failing to act against the Shiite militias' growing power within the local police force.

Basra has grown increasingly violent, with a complex web of sectarian agendas playing itself out almost daily on the streets. Insurgents continue to attack Shiite civilians and military patrols, while Shiite militias fight among themselves and, recently, with British troops as well.

On Sunday, Mr. Haider filed reports about angry demonstrations that had broken out after the arrest by British forces of two high-ranking members of the Mahdi Army, the militia loyal to the renegade Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr.

Shortly after midnight, two cars, one of them an unmarked sedan, one a police car, were driven up to Mr. Haider's apartment building, according to witnesses who said they could not be identified without jeopardizing their lives.


It seems clear that the press is carefully monitored by people in Basra and that many of those with violent tendencies do not like being criticized. :-(

More on the British arrest of Sadr's lieutenants on Sunday the 13th is [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/18/AR2005091800322_pf.html|here].

There are a lot of things going on in Basra, including rumors of more al Qaeda activity. I don't think the British troops rescued their men without thinking long and hard about the ramifications.

Cheers,
Scott.
New One perspective on that
is that the very last thing they can afford to show is weakness or an unwillingness to protect their own.
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New Another version of the story
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091900572.html|Washington Post]
In London, authorities said the two commandos were released after negotiations. But the BBC quoted British defense officials as saying a wall was demolished when British forces went to "collect" the men.

Iraqi security officials on Monday variously accused the two Britons they detained of shooting at Iraqi forces or trying to plant explosives. Photographs of the two men in custody showed them in civilian clothes.

When British officials apparently sought to secure their release, riots erupted. Iraqi police cars circulated downtown, calling through loudspeakers for the public to help stop British forces from releasing the two. Heavy gunfire broke out and fighting raged for hours, as crowds swarmed British forces and set at least one armored vehicle on fire.

Witnesses said they saw Basra police exchanging fire with British forces. Sadr's Mahdi Army militia joined in the fighting late in the day, witnesses said. A British military spokesman, Darren Moss, denied that British troops were fighting Basra police.

Another Western military spokesman in Basra confirmed "an ongoing disturbance" in the city on Monday but said Iraqi and British forces were working together to quell it.

Typical Iraqi reporting, conflicting govnment stories and unreliable witnesses on the ground.

If the Iraqi police did hand these two over to a militia group, I can see why the British government felt the need to intervene with force. But it is still a very bad situation all around. This will permanently damage cooperation and goodwill between British forces, Iraqi police and the Iraqi population.

Jay
New And another one
[link|http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1142658|ABC News]
Iraq denounced British forces on Tuesday over a dramatic rescue of two undercover soldiers that could stoke hostility to the army in increasingly volatile southern Iraq.

British troops used an armored fighting vehicle on Monday to burst into an Iraqi jail in search of soldiers held by police in Basra. The British commander said he learned they had been handed to militia and ordered their rescue from a nearby house.

"It is a very unfortunate development that the British forces should try to release their forces the way it happened," Haider al-Ebadi, an adviser to Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari, told a news conference in Baghdad.

The operation followed rioting that began, according to police and local officials, when the two men fired on a police patrol. At least two Iraqis were killed in the violence.

Iraqi television on Tuesday showed footage of the two soldiers, unshaven and looking nervous as Iraqi police looked over wigs, Arab headresses, an anti-tank missile and communications equipment, all apparently used in their mission.

The images of the pair seemed sure to fuel suspicions by militias in Basra and elsewhere who believe foreign troops are on a secret mission to exploit Iraq.

An anti-tank missle? That is weird, what legitimate purpose could they have had for an anti-tank missle?

Jay
New blown out of proportion
local republican constabulary arrest SAS members playing silly buggers in costume. Knowing the Brit Command places a higher value than the queen mum on such personages the Republican's hand the prisoners over the the local provos, The MI freaks sends in tanks to where they sojers arn;t. After thumbing their nose at thwe brits, they release the captives at a prearranged safe house. Dont forget the IRA trained in Iraq back in the day, I am sure the cross training is remembered by some folks,
thanx,
bill
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     British forces attack Iraqi police station - (JayMehaffey) - (9)
         Smells funny - (warmachine) - (2)
             I certainly does - (JayMehaffey)
             The people who knew better aren't around anymore. -NT - (Silverlock)
         Wonderful show of respect for local law and order - (ben_tilly) - (2)
             BBC story has a different perspective. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 One perspective on that - (jake123)
         Another version of the story - (JayMehaffey)
         And another one - (JayMehaffey)
         blown out of proportion - (boxley)

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