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Post #224,952
by cforde
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9/16/05 1:57:05 AM
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New cautions, cause..
I can't spell caveates

The business guys will think they're programmers and the programmers will think they have marketable experience. a little expectation setting is in order. There's a whole lot of layers between the keyboard and the other side of the room. explore how many they can find. :-)

Definitely a good idea on the whole.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
Post #224,993
by tjsinclair
9/16/05 11:39:51 AM
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New Understood

I definitely realize it's a tricky balance and I have to carefully and clearly manage expectations.

Fortunately, that's a normal part of my job.

Another possibility I considered was using a combination of tools such as netcat, ethereal, nemesis and nmap to let them fiddle with packets.
Tom Sinclair

Cuddy had only been a guard for a few days, but already he had absorbed one
important and basic fact: it is almost impossible for anyone to be in a
street without breaking the law.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms)
     Simple network programming language? - (tjsinclair) - (51) - Sept. 14, 2005, 02:35:33 AM EDT
         Python. - (folkert) - Sept. 14, 2005, 07:08:20 AM EDT
         What Greg said. - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 14, 2005, 08:11:56 AM EDT
             That's exactly what I was thinking - (tjsinclair) - (2) - Sept. 14, 2005, 09:52:32 AM EDT
                 cautions, cause.. - (cforde) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2005, 01:57:05 AM EDT
                     Understood - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 16, 2005, 11:39:51 AM EDT
         REBOL gets you there the fastest - (ChrisR) - (4) - Sept. 14, 2005, 10:28:29 AM EDT
             Agreed. - (admin) - Sept. 14, 2005, 10:39:38 AM EDT
             I considered Java briefly - (tjsinclair) - (2) - Sept. 14, 2005, 10:47:59 AM EDT
                 Definietly not Java or anything with a compiler - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Sept. 14, 2005, 04:20:32 PM EDT
                     Granted - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 14, 2005, 04:32:41 PM EDT
         perl, creating sockets and listening is fairly easy -NT - (boxley) - (35) - Sept. 14, 2005, 01:12:53 PM EDT
             Thanks for the tip - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 14, 2005, 04:34:02 PM EDT
             But not as readable as Python. - (admin) - (33) - Sept. 15, 2005, 01:49:10 PM EDT
                 This isn't readable? - (broomberg) - (32) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:32:30 PM EDT
                     Ben could reduce that to about 12 characters... ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (15) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:37:04 PM EDT
                         Of course he could - (broomberg) - (14) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:39:02 PM EDT
                             :-) Yup, but in Python one can't do that. - (Another Scott) - (11) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:45:23 PM EDT
                                 Hmm - (broomberg) - (10) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:50:29 PM EDT
                                     Write That Code! - (Another Scott) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:00:41 PM EDT
                                     Sorry I'm late to the Party ... Ruby Version - (JimWeirich) - (8) - Sept. 19, 2005, 06:10:12 PM EDT
                                         Where's the error handling? - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 19, 2005, 06:19:26 PM EDT
                                             I wouldn't bet that it is missing - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Sept. 19, 2005, 06:39:45 PM EDT
                                                 OK, fine... but - (admin) - (5) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:11:36 PM EDT
                                                     As I said... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:25:13 PM EDT
                                                         Near enough to Python, then. - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:29:04 PM EDT
                                                             Re: Near enough to Python, then. - (JimWeirich) - (2) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:42:11 PM EDT
                                                                 As I said... - (admin) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:53:23 PM EDT
                                                                     Ahh, makes me long for the old days - (broomberg) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:57:07 PM EDT
                             Oops. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:47:23 PM EDT
                             ICJRLPD (new thread) - (inthane-chan) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:47:12 PM EDT
                     As I said, "not AS readable as the Python" - (admin) - (15) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:14:58 PM EDT
                         Not bad - (broomberg) - (4) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:24:35 PM EDT
                             What. He. Said. - (jb4) - (3) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:15:51 PM EDT
                                 WTF do YOU think it has on it...? - (admin) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:27:38 PM EDT
                                 I don't think you'll be surprised. (img) - (Another Scott) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:29:52 PM EDT
                                 Hiss - (ChrisR) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:47:12 PM EDT
                         Wel, it's beautiful code - (Arkadiy) - (9) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:02:40 AM EDT
                             Use the socket libraries then. - (admin) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:38:22 AM EDT
                             It's introduction to networking - (tjsinclair) - (7) - Sept. 19, 2005, 10:33:04 AM EDT
                                 I'd go with socket basics. - (jake123) - (6) - Sept. 19, 2005, 10:52:57 AM EDT
                                     Re: I'd go with socket basics. - (admin) - (5) - Sept. 19, 2005, 11:23:15 AM EDT
                                         Didn't say it would take very long - (jake123) - (3) - Sept. 19, 2005, 12:50:17 PM EDT
                                             Programming Languages will influence the model - (ChrisR) - (2) - Sept. 19, 2005, 01:02:31 PM EDT
                                                 Indeed - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2005, 01:29:34 PM EDT
                                                     Definitely want high level languages - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 19, 2005, 03:03:14 PM EDT
                                         Yep. -NT - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:22:01 PM EDT
         I'd suggest Ruby... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2005, 07:05:48 PM EDT
             I believe I stole that example from it - (broomberg) - Sept. 15, 2005, 07:08:36 PM EDT
             I'm thinking of quick and dirty HOWTO here - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 16, 2005, 01:18:42 AM EDT
         Consider Object REXX - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2005, 01:06:31 PM EDT
             Thanks for the reminder - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 16, 2005, 05:16:33 PM EDT

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