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Post #224,717 by ChrisR 9/14/05 10:28:29 AM Reply	REBOL gets you there the fastest But then its networking is at such a level that it probably won't teach the lesson that you are trying to convey. I'd recommend Python as well. Java's not too shabby when it comes to the networking portion, but you'd have to teach a lot of the language before you can get to the matter at hand.
Post #224,720 by admin 9/14/05 10:39:38 AM Reply	Agreed. Python is a great teaching language. It reads like pseudocode, it's not too high-level, and it's powerful enough to do just about anything. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #224,725 by tjsinclair 9/14/05 10:47:59 AM Reply	I considered Java briefly because I really like the java.net API. Now, if the class were only my programmers (familiar with C++), I probably would have gone with Java. With my e-biz folks, though, python or something similar seemed like a better bet. I can give them the basics fairly quickly and for the networking stuff hand out some sample code. Tom Sinclair In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious. -- Schrodinger's Moggy explained (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
Post #224,797 by tuberculosis 9/14/05 4:20:32 PM Reply	Definietly not Java or anything with a compiler they'll get lost in the build process and miss the lesson you are trying to teach. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #224,803 by tjsinclair 9/14/05 4:32:41 PM Reply	Granted I only considered it for brief moment. A scripting language is much better for this scenario since they can make changes and test right away. So far it looks like my initial choice of python is holding up, but I'm still open to other options if anyone has one. Tom Sinclair "Not a man to mince words. People, yes. But not words." -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)

Simple network programming language? - (tjsinclair) - (51) - Sept. 14, 2005, 02:35:33 AM EDT

Python. - (folkert) - Sept. 14, 2005, 07:08:20 AM EDT

What Greg said. - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 14, 2005, 08:11:56 AM EDT

That's exactly what I was thinking - (tjsinclair) - (2) - Sept. 14, 2005, 09:52:32 AM EDT

cautions, cause.. - (cforde) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2005, 01:57:05 AM EDT

Understood - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 16, 2005, 11:39:51 AM EDT

REBOL gets you there the fastest - (ChrisR) - (4) - Sept. 14, 2005, 10:28:29 AM EDT

Agreed. - (admin) - Sept. 14, 2005, 10:39:38 AM EDT

I considered Java briefly - (tjsinclair) - (2) - Sept. 14, 2005, 10:47:59 AM EDT

Definietly not Java or anything with a compiler - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Sept. 14, 2005, 04:20:32 PM EDT

Granted - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 14, 2005, 04:32:41 PM EDT

perl, creating sockets and listening is fairly easy -NT - (boxley) - (35) - Sept. 14, 2005, 01:12:53 PM EDT

Thanks for the tip - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 14, 2005, 04:34:02 PM EDT

But not as readable as Python. - (admin) - (33) - Sept. 15, 2005, 01:49:10 PM EDT

This isn't readable? - (broomberg) - (32) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:32:30 PM EDT

Ben could reduce that to about 12 characters... ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (15) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:37:04 PM EDT

Of course he could - (broomberg) - (14) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:39:02 PM EDT

:-) Yup, but in Python one can't do that. - (Another Scott) - (11) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:45:23 PM EDT

Hmm - (broomberg) - (10) - Sept. 15, 2005, 05:50:29 PM EDT

Write That Code! - (Another Scott) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:00:41 PM EDT

Sorry I'm late to the Party ... Ruby Version - (JimWeirich) - (8) - Sept. 19, 2005, 06:10:12 PM EDT

Where's the error handling? - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 19, 2005, 06:19:26 PM EDT

I wouldn't bet that it is missing - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Sept. 19, 2005, 06:39:45 PM EDT

OK, fine... but - (admin) - (5) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:11:36 PM EDT

As I said... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:25:13 PM EDT

Near enough to Python, then. - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:29:04 PM EDT

Re: Near enough to Python, then. - (JimWeirich) - (2) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:42:11 PM EDT

As I said... - (admin) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:53:23 PM EDT

Ahh, makes me long for the old days - (broomberg) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:57:07 PM EDT

Oops. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:47:23 PM EDT

ICJRLPD (new thread) - (inthane-chan) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:47:12 PM EDT

As I said, "not AS readable as the Python" - (admin) - (15) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:14:58 PM EDT

Not bad - (broomberg) - (4) - Sept. 15, 2005, 06:24:35 PM EDT

What. He. Said. - (jb4) - (3) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:15:51 PM EDT

WTF do YOU think it has on it...? - (admin) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:27:38 PM EDT

I don't think you'll be surprised. (img) - (Another Scott) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:29:52 PM EDT

Hiss - (ChrisR) - Sept. 16, 2005, 06:47:12 PM EDT

Wel, it's beautiful code - (Arkadiy) - (9) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:02:40 AM EDT

Use the socket libraries then. - (admin) - Sept. 19, 2005, 07:38:22 AM EDT

It's introduction to networking - (tjsinclair) - (7) - Sept. 19, 2005, 10:33:04 AM EDT

I'd go with socket basics. - (jake123) - (6) - Sept. 19, 2005, 10:52:57 AM EDT

Re: I'd go with socket basics. - (admin) - (5) - Sept. 19, 2005, 11:23:15 AM EDT

Didn't say it would take very long - (jake123) - (3) - Sept. 19, 2005, 12:50:17 PM EDT

Programming Languages will influence the model - (ChrisR) - (2) - Sept. 19, 2005, 01:02:31 PM EDT

Indeed - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2005, 01:29:34 PM EDT

Definitely want high level languages - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 19, 2005, 03:03:14 PM EDT

Yep. -NT - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 19, 2005, 08:22:01 PM EDT

I'd suggest Ruby... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2005, 07:05:48 PM EDT

I believe I stole that example from it - (broomberg) - Sept. 15, 2005, 07:08:36 PM EDT

I'm thinking of quick and dirty HOWTO here - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 16, 2005, 01:18:42 AM EDT

Consider Object REXX - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2005, 01:06:31 PM EDT

Thanks for the reminder - (tjsinclair) - Sept. 16, 2005, 05:16:33 PM EDT

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