Post #223,149
9/6/05 2:20:07 PM
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Uhh. No.
Those busses were to move the poor to shelters WITHIN the city. That was the plan.
Sorry.
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Post #223,155
9/6/05 2:33:39 PM
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Uhh. No.
Since when does evacuation of a city mean "move from one spot to another within that same city"? [link|http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf|southeast Louisiana evac plan supplement] page 13, paragraph 5. 5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating. Perhaps they should have used "must be used" instead of "may be used". Darrell Spice, Jr. [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
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Post #223,158
9/6/05 2:47:17 PM
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Funny - not what the mayor said on the news
I was horrified.
Here, though.
[link|http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050828/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina|As many as 100,000 inner-city residents didn't have the means to leave, and an untold number of tourists were stranded by the closing of the airport. The city arranged buses to take people to 10 last-resort shelters, including the Superdome.]
On the evacuation:
[link|http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL082705nagin.b7724856.html| The order extends to everyone in the city of New Orleans with the following exceptions: Essential military and law enforcement personnel from the city and state, regulated utilities employees, essential members of the media, hospital employees and their patients, medical personnel, Criminal Sheriff's personnel and inmates and hotels and their patrons.]
THo an evacuation was called for, you needed the means to leave, and the busses were to take people to shelters, NOT evacuate.
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #223,164
9/6/05 3:09:39 PM
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That's where the mayor screwed up
He didn't follow the plan, which seems pretty clear about the buses being used to help those who "require assistance in evacuating", as opposed to those who "require assistance in moving about the city".
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Post #223,165
9/6/05 3:16:04 PM
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Just there?
THis whole thing was a clusterf... A clusterfu... A demonstration of what happens when central planning meets general mayhem.
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #223,167
9/6/05 3:18:48 PM
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Thank you.
Thats what I've been saying all along.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #223,176
9/6/05 3:39:13 PM
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I'm POed at many.
The Prez, the Guv, the Mayor, the cops that walked off the job, the assholes shooting at rescue copters, the list goes on...
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #223,174
9/6/05 3:33:45 PM
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Wouldn't that be: Major Planning meets General Mayhem?
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Post #223,177
9/6/05 3:39:57 PM
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heheh. Yup.
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #223,185
9/6/05 4:02:17 PM
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nope
but you were only talking about the buses in your reply to BP.
And yes, I agree it was a fustercluck :-) The thing that's been pissing me(and BP) off is that all we're seeing is how the feds failed New Orleans. Never mind the mayor who had to be told by others to evacuate his city and then not follow the evacuation plan. Never mind the governor who "needs 24 hours" to accept Bush's offers for help(watch the biasedly described video Nagin still outspoken at CNN for this interesting tidbit). No, it's all Bush's and the Fed's fault. Sure, they have their share of the blame, but to me it pales in comparision to the local/state.
For a comparison of successful local/state handling of a disaster, just look one state over. And even then, we're asking [link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/05/katrina/3339670|WERE WE PREPARED?] instead of blaming everybody else.
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Post #223,166
9/6/05 3:18:03 PM
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Amazing, ain't it.
A politician not telling the truth.
Public transportation, according to >the plan< was NOT to move people to the Superdome in Class 3 and up...they were supposed to get those people out of the city.
Of course noone is telling you this. It isn't what happened. It was in the plan...and the local responsibility in advance of the storm.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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