Post #222,898
9/5/05 11:45:17 AM
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Another crash
Just thought you'd like to know.. [link|http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050905/ap_on_re_as/indonesia_plane_crash|http://news.yahoo.co...nesia_plane_crash] Indonesia Jet Crash Kills at Least 147 An Indonesian jetliner slammed into a crowded neighborhood moments after a shaky takeoff Monday and burst into flames, killing 147 people, including dozens on the ground. At least 15 passengers survived, among them an 18-month-old boy, officials said. ---- What's that make now- 6 in the last 60 days?
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Post #222,916
9/5/05 1:26:59 PM
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Re: Another crash
Going on a plane soon????
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Post #222,937
9/5/05 3:41:50 PM
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The Stat-folk will say, 'just a cluster'.
The esoteric will look for any? many? other odd 'coincidences'.
Certain Believers shall instantly assert a Meaning. (She Told me!)
The rest of us can.. just.. Count..
Wun and Wun and Wun is three; oops -
Wun and wun and wun and wun makes four.
We're still at the owl-entrails stage re such matters.
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Post #223,117
9/6/05 12:35:59 PM
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What's your point, Ash?
Or are you just wanting to drive at some intuition-based-gestalt-thing as part of kind of return-to-Mother-Earth anti-empiricist gig?
Peter
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Post #223,184
9/6/05 3:59:25 PM
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Amidst 'a cluster'
It is usually foolish to extrapolate/interpolate - as we are wont to do.
But the group of events may be signalling another process {not yet noticed} that is manifesting -- may thus be pointing towards (some action as might.. forestall more events).
The first is intellect, evaluating - the second is emotion (but sometimes also instinct) seeing relationships that don't move trippingly into a formula, or into our present model.
Rock/hard-place; the place we often are, when a lot of bad shit is happening (to use the technical term). Go with one angle of view and not both == spin wheels and hand-wave.
HTH
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Post #223,210
9/6/05 5:39:42 PM
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This just in -
Just now on NPR, a boffin from a UK magazine, David Leermond (phon.) ofFlight International speaks to the question: coincidence or __?
Says, "I don't think these are coincidences ..."
These have occurred in countries where the 'safety culture' is not ~ as in N. America, or amongst the (premier?) airlines. He elaborates on what he means by 'safety culture', of course.
He closes with an exception to these implications
{talk about yer Fair n'Balanced..}
Ethiopian Airlines! breaks all the 'rules' -- unstable authoritarian govt. much local poverty etc. But a nonpareil safety record!
His guesstimate: It's the top employer of the country; pride of employees in doing their very best? if lucky to get one of these jobs; that plus a management as feels the same way.
ie All generalizations are false, including..
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Post #222,956
9/5/05 5:42:11 PM
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Don't fly in August :-D
That is what it looks like to me. ;-)
Peace,
Amy
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Post #222,958
9/5/05 5:45:54 PM
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Or September!
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Post #222,971
9/5/05 6:38:03 PM
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..or while admins be checkin the O-2, hydraulic fluid, tires
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Post #223,059
9/6/05 4:49:41 AM
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How about within 6 months of New Year's Day?
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #223,110
9/6/05 12:19:10 PM
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So... fly 1 day year?
Or it could be 5 days a years, depends on 180 days == 6 months or 182 days == 6 months.
Either way, it would be really easy to pin point the days we can fly and do the massive attck thinger :)
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Post #223,113
9/6/05 12:26:10 PM
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Screw it.
Take the train, instead.
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Post #223,116
9/6/05 12:33:23 PM
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In America?
[link|http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=708440|H] [link|http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/18/amtrak.derailment/|m] [link|http://www.cnn.com/US/9510/amtrak/10-10/|m] [link|http://www.emergency.com/amtkcrsh.htm|m].
There are risks in taking any form of transportation. Of course, there are [link|http://astro.wsu.edu/worthey/astro/html/im-meteor/strikes.html|risks in staying home], too.
Where's my tinfoil hat?
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #223,118
9/6/05 12:39:50 PM
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Whoah, cool
From your last link: Nov. 8, 1982, in Weathersfield, Connecticutt. Robert and Wanda Donahue settled down for a quiet evening watching television. About halfway through M*A*S*H, they heard a loud crash from the front of the house. They ran into the living room to find a hole in the ceiling and plaster dust and smoke everywhere. Moving outside, they saw a hole in the roof. They called the fire department and ten minutes later, a fireman found a six-pound, five-inch meteorite under the dining room table. The stone had ripped through the roof and living room ceiling, bounced off a carpeted wooden floor (cracking a support beam for the floor in the process), traveled up through the ceiling a second time into the attic, came down through the ceiling in the dining room, knocked over furniture and dented a wall before coming to rest under the table. Six more small fragments of the meteorite were later found in the Donahue's vacuum cleaner, which Mrs. Donahue had used to tidy up the house a bit before all the scientists and media arrived. Emphasis addeed. I can just hear the pinball sound effects. ===
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Post #223,131
9/6/05 1:45:39 PM
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The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
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Post #223,156
9/6/05 2:34:13 PM
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:-)
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Post #223,142
9/6/05 2:05:27 PM
9/6/05 2:10:06 PM
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Fatfinger post -- ignore....
jb4
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Edited by jb4
Sept. 6, 2005, 02:10:06 PM EDT
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Post #223,146
9/6/05 2:09:41 PM
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What train is that?
You mean Amtrak? The American passenger rail system, the one that George Bush is threatening to fund with a $0 appropraition? That Amtrak? The one that's asking for a grand total of $2Billion to keep itself running for a whole year (which, in case you're keeping score, is the cost of one day in Iraq)? That Amtrak?
Surely you jest....
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #223,362
9/7/05 9:12:00 AM
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Uhh, yeah...
I've done my part to keep Amtrak alive. I enjoy travelling by train. Even though it takes longer, it's comfortable. You can stretch out and meander around. I took a train to Chicago last winter. Except for the drunk guy sitting behind me who was very insistent at striking up a conversation, I had a wonderful time.
And when going to Toronto or Niagara Falls, we always take the train, too. It adds a whole level of fun to the trip.
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Post #223,387
9/7/05 10:10:14 AM
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Don't misunderstand...
I'm probably the biggest "woo-woo" here. It's just ironic that such an idyllic, and efficient, if not blinding fast, mode of transportation would be happily sacrificed by the let-em-eat-cake "administration" for 1/365th of the yearly cost of a misguided adventure in Terra Del Sand.
But Amtrak has no oil, so...
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #223,500
9/7/05 5:16:38 PM
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Seems to have started with: *GM* rippin-up muni tracks==Bus.
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Post #223,502
9/7/05 5:25:21 PM
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Cecil's view.
[link|http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_335.html|The Straight Dope]: Lots of details on Bradford Snell's charges. Cecil sums up with: Now, you may or may not believe GM's professions of innocence concerning the holding company. But most authorities agree that trolleys bit the dust in LA and elsewhere not because of a conspiracy but because they were slow and inconvenient compared to autos, and in the long run just couldn't compete. Los Angeles is typical in this respect. It has neither the high population density nor the concentrated downtown necessary to support rail transit. The PE, which was owned by the Southern Pacific railroad, made a profit in only 8 of the 42 years it was in business under its own name. The problem was exacerbated by the fact that many PE lines in LA proper operated on city streets, and as more cars crowded those streets, service got progressively slower. (The average speed on the run to Santa Monica was only 13 MPH.) FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #223,513
9/7/05 6:10:20 PM
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Well, in One Line.. ya can't add many But..s
Way I sees it is: in the contest between upgrading these clapped-out vehicles (as we see can be done to a fare-thee-well ... now) GM behaved like any other unregulated Murican Corp. smelling a windfall even beyond! the Next Quarter ie real prescience in a CIEIO.
Influencing bored, unskilled city councils was EZ, prolly with TLAs du jour: all a soundin like the hype for the 1939 Worlds Fair in Flushing Meadows.
No Contest - a city council pondering, say Who uses / And why? the muni - and does ONE-car/person transport make Any Sense ?? Long Run !?! for daily work flows...
[and perhaps they did just that: pondered 'users'. Decided: riff-raff?]
Not even a website :-0 is, IMO - apt to tell This story convincingly.
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The puppy dog won't miss his tail if you take it off an inch at a time.
Or ...
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Post #223,566
9/7/05 8:57:18 PM
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Melbourne did it right.
In the '60s, they invested in their tram system, whilst most everyone else were abandoning them. In the city centre and on busy roads, trams have their own rights-of-way.
And the GM link is unproven, but very possible. There was a documentary a few years ago about it. If the story is true, they did a lot to make it very hard to prove.
Wade.
d-_-b
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Post #223,161
9/6/05 2:56:45 PM
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You'll note...
the open window for flying coincides nicely with the beepbash. :-)
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #223,172
9/6/05 3:26:38 PM
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Cowinkey-Dink? I'd guess no!
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Post #223,361
9/7/05 9:03:52 AM
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See? That's what I've been saying...
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Post #223,157
9/6/05 2:44:05 PM
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Re: Another crash
Just thought you'd like to know.. Indonesia Jet Crash Kills at Least 147 What's that make now- 6 in the last 60 days? Something like that. There were actually 5 in August, and now there's one so far in September. I was amazed anyone survived, it was a real miracle. And I'm so glad it didn't happen last week, I was nervous enough about John flying, but Peter's statement about flying being the safest way to travel held true last week. Whew. And it still seems to be only foreign airlines. Brenda
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