Do we need a bouncer?

Really.
Flames is wide open.
Kind of like a rough bar, but you can't get physically hurt.
So do we need a gatekeeper to keep the fragile out?
I tend not to post in response to things that annoy me, no point in it, unless I am playing. And I don't typically play with fragile people. Usually. We'll see.

But this seems you've appointed yourself as someone's guardian, that someone insists in putting herself in danger of being commented upon (oh the horrors), and then you feel the need to castigate the people doing the commenting.

Hey ADMIN!!! I KNOW!!!
Let's setup a page that allows bionerd to choose what forums the rest of us are allowed to read and post in. That'll fix everything!!

Brenda's a big girl. Somewhat flaky, somewhat on the edge, but an adult. Who lives with her very protective husband (who I suspect reads these posts and then determines what she is allowed to see, but I'll never know).

While I was initially incredibly annoyed with her every utterance, I gotta admit, she's grown on me. She has some inner strength that is tough to find in this world.

Unless you are willing to drive out there, get a court order to become her guardian, lock her in a room and limit her access, you have NO say in what things she sees. So it then seems you think you can limit it on the other side, by attempting to clamp down on the posters here.

What, are you appealing to to Randy's sense of (uhh, hmmm) chivalry?.
HA!
Not gonna happen.
If he has it, he reserves it for those he feel are deserving.
Note: That word comes from a time that women were chattel. Something tells me it has outlived its usefulness.

So anyway, in closing, since this is the flame forum: FUCK OFF!

Kind of like a rough bar, but you can't get physically hurt.

I used to play piano in a band in real "rough bars", I know what to expect. ;)

But this seems you've appointed yourself as someone's guardian, that someone insists in putting herself in danger of being commented upon (oh the horrors), and then you feel the need to castigate the people doing the commenting.

Which is sweet of Laura, but I didn't ask her to do that. Besides, I rather think she's "protecting" all victims of abuse, not just me. She seems rather passionate about the topic, and with good reason, I would imagine.

Brenda's a big girl. Somewhat flaky, somewhat on the edge, but an adult. Who lives with her very protective husband (who I suspect reads these posts and then determines what she is allowed to see, but I'll never know).

Sure you'll know, I'll tell you. John rarely ever reads in here unless a) I ask him, or b) he glances over my shoulder while reading the paper when I make a comment about a post. He doesn't tell me what I can read or where I can go other than registering on certain sites for privacy protection purposes. Once I'm there, I'm on my own unless I ask his help. And ironically, for once, I didn't ask his opinion when I recently posted both in FQ and WC. I did it on my own, no input from him. He hasn't even read it all, just parts.

So he isn't as over-protective as you all make him out to be, I just look to him for guidance in matters of computers because he is more savvy than I in those areas. If he were protective in the way IWT sees him, he would be smothering, and he definitely isn't that.

While I was initially incredibly annoyed with her every utterance, I gotta admit, she's grown on me. She has some inner strength that is tough to find in this world.

Thanks, it was tough to achieve too, took a lot of bad experiences before I learned many lessons the hard way.

Unless you are willing to drive out there, get a court order to become her guardian, lock her in a room and limit her access, you have NO say in what things she sees. So it then seems you think you can limit it on the other side, by attempting to clamp down on the posters here.

But you know what the nice thing about FQ is? You can post in it, and say what you want, and then if the flames get too hot for you you can.... LEAVE it alone and not respond.... isn't that great? That means if I really can't handle it, I can treat it like Politics and Religion. ;) You can also, (as I did above when RA posted, choose not to respond to start with to someone's flaming diatribe).

So Laura, it's ok. I'm ok, too. Well, maybe not as ok right now as I could be, given recent circumstances in real life, but I can handle IWT even on a bad day. So defend the right of the abused if you like, but you don't have to fight my battles for me...even when I'm a little more fragile than usual. It's appreciated, but not necessary.

And when they piss me off enough, I too know how to tell them...."FUCK OFF!" ;)
(I just don't do it very often!)

Edit: fixed typos, changed subject line, added a line at end of paragraph 6.

Post #220,895 by broomberg 8/25/05 11:53:26 AM Reply	Do we need a bouncer? Really. Flames is wide open. Kind of like a rough bar, but you can't get physically hurt. So do we need a gatekeeper to keep the fragile out? I tend not to post in response to things that annoy me, no point in it, unless I am playing. And I don't typically play with fragile people. Usually. We'll see. But this seems you've appointed yourself as someone's guardian, that someone insists in putting herself in danger of being commented upon (oh the horrors), and then you feel the need to castigate the people doing the commenting. Hey ADMIN!!! I KNOW!!! Let's setup a page that allows bionerd to choose what forums the rest of us are allowed to read and post in. That'll fix everything!! Brenda's a big girl. Somewhat flaky, somewhat on the edge, but an adult. Who lives with her very protective husband (who I suspect reads these posts and then determines what she is allowed to see, but I'll never know). While I was initially incredibly annoyed with her every utterance, I gotta admit, she's grown on me. She has some inner strength that is tough to find in this world. Unless you are willing to drive out there, get a court order to become her guardian, lock her in a room and limit her access, you have NO say in what things she sees. So it then seems you think you can limit it on the other side, by attempting to clamp down on the posters here. What, are you appealing to to Randy's sense of (uhh, hmmm) chivalry?. HA! Not gonna happen. If he has it, he reserves it for those he feel are deserving. Note: That word comes from a time that women were chattel. Something tells me it has outlived its usefulness. So anyway, in closing, since this is the flame forum: FUCK OFF!
Post #220,900 by CRConrad 8/25/05 12:14:47 PM Reply	Sorry, Bio-babe, but the BRoom is right: Fuck off!
Post #220,911 by Andrew Grygus 8/25/05 1:03:26 PM Reply	Hey! They're flam'n Bio, 'The sweetheart of IWeThey'. Truly nothing is sacred here :). [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,913 by drewk 8/25/05 1:13:43 PM Reply	Back off, man She saw somebody doing something she didn't like, she spoke up. Now you've gotta start calling names? - [link\|http://www.motorguide.com/index.pl/motors2\|-] - Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #220,914 by boxley 8/25/05 1:19:33 PM Reply	DAMMIT! somebody get me a rag...oh, drew already did "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,921 by Andrew Grygus 8/25/05 1:36:39 PM Reply	Errrr . . . this IS the "Flame Quarantine" forum, isn't it? [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,923 by drewk 8/25/05 1:51:09 PM Reply	Hook Click the middle equals symbol above my sig in the post you're replying to. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #220,924 by broomberg 8/25/05 1:55:06 PM Reply	Equals? That's an underlined dash.
Post #220,925 by Andrew Grygus 8/25/05 2:04:52 PM Reply	Yea, I did, but I bit anyway . . . . . just for drill - and it is an underline dash here too. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,926 by drewk 8/25/05 2:10:18 PM Reply	That's because of the html filtering z-code doesn't recognize the right style attributes to turn off the link underlining. Underlined dash was the closest I could get. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #220,979 by admin 8/25/05 6:24:26 PM Reply	There might be a reason for that... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #220,936 by ChrisR 8/25/05 2:34:02 PM Reply	I could've been a contender 'The sweetheart of IWeThey' Unless I'm delusional, as I could've swore that this was MY honorary title.
Post #220,945 by Andrew Grygus 8/25/05 2:52:38 PM Reply	Weren't you told abut being deposed? [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,951 by warmachine 8/25/05 4:00:56 PM Reply	Male sweetheart? I just can't get my head around a married man being the 'sweetheart' of a male dominated board. Either this is referring to an incident that happened before I joined or I've inadvertantly configured my browser to not show pink. I hope someone enlightens me before the image in my head drives me nuts. Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #220,952 by boxley 8/25/05 4:36:26 PM Reply	do you like gladiator movies? "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #221,137 by warmachine 8/26/05 6:02:43 PM Reply	Umm... no I'm trying to imagine two, topless, muscled men grabbing each other and wrestling but it's not catching my interest. Is this why ChrisR is a sweetheart? :) Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #221,153 by boxley 8/26/05 6:53:20 PM Reply	well they dont have to be muscled per se "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #221,219 by bionerd 8/27/05 11:35:35 AM Reply	Have you ever seen a grown man naked? (Darlin, these are quotes from the movie "Airplane", cleverly related to the topic of tea bagging.) But like you, I dont know why Chris is a "sweetheart". If there was indeed a tea gagging incident, ummm.. whose "bags" were used? This person should be the real sweetheart, if you ask me.
Post #221,238 by Ashton 8/27/05 4:40:14 PM Reply	Ever see, 'The Beiderbecke Tapes' ?? [link\|http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092629/\| The Beiderbecke Tapes] A quite less noxious treatment of [WTF this thread is subliminally 'about'-?-] done by excellent actors, also real-English-speaking ones -- from '87 ~ before the universal insanity gripped the large mass of worldwide consumers/locusts and before the corporations were so visibly toxic and irredeemable, to boot. (ie somewhat before 'homogenization' became a noticeable Main Corporate Goal?) Was on a PBS station out here, so dunno how widely this small series was shown. Now that I see it's in 'movie' format, it might just qualify for one of my rare actual purchases. The plot is even fun+engaging .. but the characters both hilarious and Believable, except that no one is On all That much of the time... Barbara Flynn is or should be - a Brit National treasure, were I elected Titles-bestower. Anyway - a Nice antidote to the utter unwatchability of The 00's Action Movie and the other 97.5% dreck recycled for cel-fone chattering audiences du jour. There's a scene when they finally get down to acknowledging the Expected - which is the point of this exercise. It's also ~ a measure of what's been lost, since the pabulum of computer-generated 'mirth' killed-off mirth. Bon appetit. Yours for the few, the Rare, the vanishing . . . movies which Deserved to get made.
Post #220,953 by broomberg 8/25/05 4:37:16 PM Reply	What, no one told you about the tea-bagging incident at the party when he was passed around at 4AM?
Post #220,976 by warmachine 8/25/05 6:17:59 PM Reply	That cleared it only 'cos I don't what 'tea-bagging' is Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #221,092 by bionerd 8/26/05 3:16:36 PM Reply	It's not entirely unpleasant.
Post #221,173 by ben_tilly 8/26/05 10:26:06 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #221172 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=221172\|ICLRPD] I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #221,144 by imqwerky 8/26/05 6:15:04 PM Reply	FYI [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bagging\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bagging] " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Post #221,155 by boxley 8/26/05 6:55:49 PM Reply	stillremember explaining salad tossing to someone here , who replied to a post that "bill gates should be the designated salad tosser in hell" that doesnt sound so bad thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #221,167 by Ashton 8/26/05 8:37:24 PM Reply	I'll bet they didn't need to ask..
Post #221,166 by Ashton 8/26/05 8:36:03 PM Reply	Imagine if this much research went into either A) Certifying Shrub as a sociopath / otherwise 'disturbed-personality' or, B) Preparing for an Impeachment / series of such. (No sex til you clean your rooms, little Consumers of Anything-in-sight. Or Mommy won't spank you anymore.)
Post #221,179 by Silverlock 8/26/05 10:52:44 PM Reply	Ouchie This practice can potentially backfire when the victim unexpectedly wakes up and clenches down upon the "teabag". I think I'm glad this was never a practice during my "party your ass off" days. We had other,less embarassing, but equally stupd ways of damaging ourselves. ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #221,183 by boxley 8/26/05 11:13:46 PM Reply	maybe I spent too much time around strippers tea-bag was slouch for tback where a string wih a pouch sufficient to cover the mons was called a teabag. Getting tea-bagged was having the mons pressed appropriately to shivering dollar bills clenched between teeth. The box method of making paper airplanes of 10's and 20's and launching them on stage made box a much more appreciated patron of the arts and got a lot more backstage passes. The false accusation of kidnapping was by disgruntled patrons in ft nelson bc kanader because we took the only 2 strippers south with us in a snorcaine run to edmonton. The rcmp agreed that a contract to strip for 2 weeks could be shortened by other plans, thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,915 by Nightowl 8/25/05 1:29:37 PM 8/25/05 1:38:48 PM Reply	Nah, no bouncer needed here Kind of like a rough bar, but you can't get physically hurt. I used to play piano in a band in real "rough bars", I know what to expect. ;) But this seems you've appointed yourself as someone's guardian, that someone insists in putting herself in danger of being commented upon (oh the horrors), and then you feel the need to castigate the people doing the commenting. Which is sweet of Laura, but I didn't ask her to do that. Besides, I rather think she's "protecting" all victims of abuse, not just me. She seems rather passionate about the topic, and with good reason, I would imagine. Brenda's a big girl. Somewhat flaky, somewhat on the edge, but an adult. Who lives with her very protective husband (who I suspect reads these posts and then determines what she is allowed to see, but I'll never know). Sure you'll know, I'll tell you. John rarely ever reads in here unless a) I ask him, or b) he glances over my shoulder while reading the paper when I make a comment about a post. He doesn't tell me what I can read or where I can go other than registering on certain sites for privacy protection purposes. Once I'm there, I'm on my own unless I ask his help. And ironically, for once, I didn't ask his opinion when I recently posted both in FQ and WC. I did it on my own, no input from him. He hasn't even read it all, just parts. So he isn't as over-protective as you all make him out to be, I just look to him for guidance in matters of computers because he is more savvy than I in those areas. If he were protective in the way IWT sees him, he would be smothering, and he definitely isn't that. While I was initially incredibly annoyed with her every utterance, I gotta admit, she's grown on me. She has some inner strength that is tough to find in this world. Thanks, it was tough to achieve too, took a lot of bad experiences before I learned many lessons the hard way. Unless you are willing to drive out there, get a court order to become her guardian, lock her in a room and limit her access, you have NO say in what things she sees. So it then seems you think you can limit it on the other side, by attempting to clamp down on the posters here. But you know what the nice thing about FQ is? You can post in it, and say what you want, and then if the flames get too hot for you you can.... LEAVE it alone and not respond.... isn't that great? That means if I really can't handle it, I can treat it like Politics and Religion. ;) You can also, (as I did above when RA posted, choose not to respond to start with to someone's flaming diatribe). So Laura, it's ok. I'm ok, too. Well, maybe not as ok right now as I could be, given recent circumstances in real life, but I can handle IWT even on a bad day. So defend the right of the abused if you like, but you don't have to fight my battles for me...even when I'm a little more fragile than usual. It's appreciated, but not necessary. And when they piss me off enough, I too know how to tell them...."FUCK OFF!" ;) (I just don't do it very often!) Edit: fixed typos, changed subject line, added a line at end of paragraph 6. "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!" Edited by Nightowl Aug. 25, 2005, 01:31:07 PM EDT Edited by Nightowl Aug. 25, 2005, 01:38:48 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #220,932 by bionerd 8/25/05 2:25:22 PM Reply	Geez tongue-in-cheek: cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" Allegory: A symbolic representation Now it's your turn to fuck off.
Post #220,939 by broomberg 8/25/05 2:37:09 PM Reply	If you have to point out it it's a joke then it is so poorly done it is not. If it was a troll, then I fell for it. But I doubt it. It is too similiar to previous rants of yours.
Post #220,940 by pwhysall 8/25/05 2:38:30 PM Reply	Alternatively... ...it's hard to legislate for a stupid audience. HTH! Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #220,941 by pwhysall 8/25/05 2:38:35 PM Reply	Alternatively... ...it's hard to legislate for a stupid audience. HTH! Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #220,942 by pwhysall 8/25/05 2:38:54 PM Reply	Double-clicking produces double posts. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #220,948 by boxley 8/25/05 3:16:35 PM Reply	no shit sherlock kcolresh tihs on "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,943 by pwhysall 8/25/05 2:38:54 PM Reply	Double-clicking produces double posts. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #220,968 by danreck 8/25/05 6:05:49 PM Reply	No it doesn't, I just tried it... You British buffoon Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #220,969 by danreck 8/25/05 6:05:58 PM Reply	No it doesn't, I just tried it... You British buffoon Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #220,970 by danreck 8/25/05 6:06:12 PM Reply	No it doesn't, I just tried it... You British buffoon Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #220,971 by danreck 8/25/05 6:07:05 PM Reply	etc... Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #220,980 by Ashton 8/25/05 6:30:58 PM Reply	Finally: the enduring Meaning of this entire thread
Post #220,982 by Ashton 8/25/05 6:32:37 PM Reply	Finally: the enduring Meaning of this entire thread
Post #221,544 by imqwerky 8/30/05 12:18:51 AM Reply	LRPD: Department of Redundancy Department :-D " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

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