Have you *read* USA-PATRIOT?

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Post #219,787 by pwhysall 8/17/05 5:28:33 PM Reply	Have you read USA-PATRIOT? It's not so much an act as a non-context diff. It may well authorise shoot-to-kill; you as a normal human have no chance whatsoever of determining this. And I'd say that shoot-to-kill is modus operandi in Iraq, so, yes, they do. And on the foreign-born national thing? Gitmo. Detention without charge. Secret military tribunals. Etc. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #219,798 by jb4 8/17/05 6:13:42 PM Reply	sorry dude And on the foreign-born national thing? Gitmo. Detention without charge. Secret military tribunals. Sorry, dude, but that far antedated PAT-Riot. The President (in the abstract, as opposed to the instance now holding that title) has had the ability do authorize all that for quite some time now. And I'd say that shoot-to-kill is modus operandi in Iraq, so, yes, they do. You're going to have to do much better than that. As the latest incarnation ofthe War Powers act gives the military (cf police) powers to invade a sovereign state for the purpose of securing ~~their oil supply~~Democracy for that benighted part of the world, they can shoot whenver they want. The army hasn't invaded the USA (yet...). Not up to your normal rhetorical style, Pete, but then it is rather more difficult to defend the indefensible, now isn't it...? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #219,799 by pwhysall 8/17/05 6:14:30 PM Reply	I'm not defending anything I'm just pointing out that you are at least if not more fucked that I am. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #219,848 by jb4 8/17/05 10:52:54 PM Reply	s/if not more// jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #219,858 by pwhysall 8/18/05 12:10:57 AM Reply	You sure? My not-very-grammatical sentence makes even less sense if you do that. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #219,859 by Another Scott 8/18/05 12:17:12 AM Reply	I think he meant... s /at least if not more fucked that I am/really missing out if you're not using Eclipse for perl like me/ HTH! Cheers, Scott.
Post #219,860 by pwhysall 8/18/05 12:25:05 AM Reply	Oh, yuo aer teh funneh! I've tipped my waitress. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #219,899 by jb4 8/18/05 9:43:14 AM 8/18/05 9:44:35 AM Reply	Lets try: s/if not more/as/ It was late, and I was tired...(but I must say I like Another Scott's interpretation...). And even then, its a CRC-worthy train wreck. jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT Edited by jb4 Aug. 18, 2005, 09:44:16 AM EDT Edited by jb4 Aug. 18, 2005, 09:44:35 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #219,946 by CRConrad 8/18/05 12:39:25 PM 8/18/05 12:43:36 PM Reply	"s/if not more fucked that/as fucked as/" HTH! Edited by CRConrad Aug. 18, 2005, 12:42:21 PM EDT Edited by CRConrad Aug. 18, 2005, 12:43:36 PM EDT Expand All History

gosh...seems that the poor dead Brazilian - (rcareaga) - (90) - Aug. 17, 2005, 01:09:57 AM EDT

Curious. - (mmoffitt) - (68) - Aug. 17, 2005, 10:47:03 AM EDT

You're already way more fucked than we will ever be. - (pwhysall) - (66) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:59:26 PM EDT

You elected the guy who let himself get ROLLED by that. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:18:58 PM EDT

We'll self-correct, as we did post-Thatcher. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:27:03 PM EDT

This is sad. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 09:53:09 PM EDT

ICLRPDee (new thread) - (Ashton) - Aug. 17, 2005, 11:12:45 PM EDT

Show me where. - (mmoffitt) - (61) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:05:03 AM EDT

DevAdvo:Don't tell jokes going through airport security. :-/ - (Another Scott) - (60) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:25:11 AM EDT

Except the UK is already there, man. - (mmoffitt) - (59) - Aug. 18, 2005, 11:10:11 AM EDT

Fight The Powah! - (pwhysall) - (58) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:05:54 PM EDT

look at the bright side, less bystander deaths on your end -NT - (boxley) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:13:47 PM EDT

Re: Shoot-to-kill is nothing new on either side of the pond. - (mmoffitt) - (25) - Aug. 18, 2005, 02:07:48 PM EDT

What makes you think there hasn't been tremendous public - (jake123) - (24) - Aug. 18, 2005, 02:14:59 PM EDT

Linky to tremendous public outcry? -NT - (jb4) - (23) - Aug. 18, 2005, 02:36:26 PM EDT

Well, it's big news here - (jake123) - (22) - Aug. 18, 2005, 05:04:52 PM EDT

Touch\ufffd! -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 18, 2005, 05:13:30 PM EDT

Non sequitor. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Aug. 18, 2005, 05:38:57 PM EDT

Yeah, the son was only shot in the back - (jake123) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:13:54 PM EDT

WTF!! what x-files episode were you watching to get that - (boxley) - (18) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:40:07 PM EDT

Nit: ATF ninjas, not FBI, IIRC. -NT - (jake123) - (17) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:49:43 PM EDT

feebs - (boxley) - (16) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:59:52 PM EDT

FBI it is - (jake123) - (2) - Aug. 18, 2005, 07:32:04 PM EDT

have you read "from freedom to slavery"? by the lawyer -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:50:17 PM EDT

Think that must have been it. - (jake123) - Aug. 18, 2005, 11:41:15 PM EDT

Thank you for making my point about the difference. - (mmoffitt) - (12) - Aug. 19, 2005, 09:09:03 AM EDT

I see, guilty until shot by cops -NT - (boxley) - (9) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:12:38 AM EDT

Not at all. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:21:45 AM EDT

what was the circumstance of his prior acts? -NT - (boxley) - (7) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:53:07 AM EDT

IIRC it was carrying a rifle in his truck. -NT - (jake123) - (6) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:54:08 AM EDT

make him look, it was balatent entrapment -NT - (boxley) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2005, 01:38:24 PM EDT

Wasn't aware that carrying a rifle in your truck was illegal - (jake123) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2005, 02:28:50 PM EDT

It isn't. And that is NOT REMOTELY what it was. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2005, 03:46:42 PM EDT

Yeah, after all, a "man in fatigues" is immediately - (jake123) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2005, 05:04:01 PM EDT

DOJ Report on Ruby Ridge. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2005, 06:23:07 PM EDT

if that is a statement of fact I now must turn raellian - (boxley) - Aug. 19, 2005, 06:30:04 PM EDT

That hardly covers his wife and son. - (jake123) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:20:32 AM EDT

See Edit above ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:22:35 AM EDT

One more thing. Your attitude is scary. - (mmoffitt) - (30) - Aug. 18, 2005, 05:37:54 PM EDT

When was the last time you demonstrated on behalf of someone - (jake123) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:14:54 PM EDT

Well... - (jb4) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:32:25 PM EDT

Re: One more thing. Your attitude is scary. - (pwhysall) - (27) - Aug. 18, 2005, 11:16:46 PM EDT

pay attention marlowe you might learn something -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 11:18:41 PM EDT

Thanks, I think... -NT - (pwhysall) - Aug. 18, 2005, 11:22:09 PM EDT

Again, a mischaracterization. - (mmoffitt) - (24) - Aug. 19, 2005, 09:18:01 AM EDT

Goes to show you: Ben Franklin wasn't a Brit... -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2005, 09:43:13 AM EDT

;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 19, 2005, 09:50:44 AM EDT

Shoot to kill is fine, in the USA - (pwhysall) - (21) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:58:17 AM EDT

Excuse me, but can you give me a linky to... - (jb4) - (20) - Aug. 19, 2005, 12:54:44 PM EDT

You keep your tongue away from my ass - (pwhysall) - (19) - Aug. 19, 2005, 01:07:38 PM EDT

Hmmmm...not an Iraqi in the bunch. Thanks for playing.... -NT - (jb4) - (15) - Aug. 19, 2005, 01:46:42 PM EDT

You're being intentionally obtuse here. - (jake123) - (9) - Aug. 19, 2005, 02:30:34 PM EDT

I rather don't think so - (jb4) - (8) - Aug. 19, 2005, 05:11:23 PM EDT

s/continent/planet/ - (pwhysall) - (7) - Aug. 19, 2005, 05:15:25 PM EDT

Ididn't know the USA constituted the whole planet! - (jb4) - (6) - Aug. 19, 2005, 05:25:30 PM EDT

Re: Ididn't know the USA constituted the whole planet! - (pwhysall) - Aug. 19, 2005, 05:27:12 PM EDT

I can parse that for you: - (CRConrad) - (4) - Aug. 20, 2005, 09:07:49 PM EDT

Mah-noor! - (jb4) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2005, 10:36:37 PM EDT

Your noor, indeed, not mahn. They're placed *exactly* right. -NT - (CRConrad) - (2) - Aug. 22, 2005, 03:08:40 AM EDT

And all this time, I was amazed at your mastery... - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 22, 2005, 09:30:40 AM EDT

The question wasn't about the WORD, "fine"... - (CRConrad) - Aug. 22, 2005, 10:20:57 AM EDT

Point being... - (pwhysall) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2005, 03:18:00 PM EDT

its more a shoot in the general direction of the subject -NT - (boxley) - Aug. 19, 2005, 03:20:59 PM EDT

The difference is we insist on cause. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2005, 03:49:17 PM EDT

if they are as dark as that brazillian that is cause -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2005, 06:05:53 PM EDT

And when that happens, riots ensue. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 21, 2005, 01:12:44 PM EDT

Interesting choice that third one. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2005, 02:38:00 PM EDT

If it validates your worldview. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 19, 2005, 03:06:15 PM EDT

ICLRPD - (imqwerky) - Aug. 19, 2005, 07:36:08 PM EDT

Beg to compare absurdities, before experiencing that 'lump' - (Ashton) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:00:52 PM EDT

Yo! warmachine! Need I say it...? - (jb4) - (20) - Aug. 17, 2005, 11:58:10 AM EDT

Go ahead - (warmachine) - (19) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:22:31 PM EDT

small villa in Majorca maybe where benny hill is your waiter -NT - (boxley) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:24:26 PM EDT

It ain't no fun if it's solicited, but since you asked... - (jb4) - (17) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:47:16 PM EDT

Explain why! -NT - (warmachine) - (16) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:48:44 PM EDT

You ARE kidding, right? - (jb4) - (15) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:55:44 PM EDT

It's no different over there - (pwhysall) - (12) - Aug. 17, 2005, 01:30:50 PM EDT

Ahem. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 03:28:06 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:47:44 PM EDT

It has nothing to do with smug - (jb4) - (9) - Aug. 17, 2005, 04:50:46 PM EDT

Have you *read* USA-PATRIOT? - (pwhysall) - (8) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:28:33 PM EDT

sorry dude - (jb4) - (7) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:13:42 PM EDT

I'm not defending anything - (pwhysall) - (6) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:14:30 PM EDT

s/if not more// -NT - (jb4) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2005, 10:52:54 PM EDT

You sure? - (pwhysall) - (4) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:10:57 AM EDT

I think he meant... - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:17:12 AM EDT

Oh, yuo aer teh funneh! - (pwhysall) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:25:05 AM EDT

Lets try: s/if not more/as/ - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 09:44:35 AM EDT

"s/if not more fucked that/as fucked as/" HTH! -NT - (CRConrad) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:43:36 PM EDT

Better -NT - (warmachine) - Aug. 17, 2005, 01:40:15 PM EDT

s /dense pill/Dunce pill/ Save CRC the trouble. :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 17, 2005, 04:22:37 PM EDT

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