Post #218,081
8/8/05 9:02:00 AM
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Moral Politics Test
Yes, it's another online questionnaire. [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Home|http://www.moral-pol...cs.aspx?menu=Home] This test is (or at least tries to be) a different political test. Most tests assess your opinion by questioning your stance on political issues. This test explains why you think what you think by mapping your personal moral system. Moral views are the major factors that influence political opinions. Every political stance can be explained by one's moral position on the inner value of human beings and their role in society. [image|http://www.moral-politics.com/Temp/Pol_116e9290f7724b51ab903a8d5a4e239d.png||||] Your Score Your scored -3 on the Moral Order axis and 0.5 on the Moral Rules axis [from -8 to +8]. Matches The following items best match your score: System: Socialism Variation: Moderate Socialism Ideologies: Social Democratism US Parties: Democratic Party Presidents: Jimmy Carter (95.06%) 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (88.95%), Ralph Nader (86.56%), George W. Bush (57.10%) No surprises here except for Jimmy Carter. The US had a socialist in the Whitehouse? The election candidate matching formulae seems weird considering their positions. [image|http://www.moral-politics.com/Temp/Pol_4d9ba349f1644a98bd656db6f1aee507.png||||] Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #218,086
8/8/05 9:14:13 AM
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the last non socialist in the whitehouse was Harding
Bush is a socialist it the traditional manner. All resources/people belong to the state. The state decides who receives the rewards.
thanx,
bill
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Post #218,093
8/8/05 9:38:57 AM
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That gets into issues of definition
Bush is a socialist it the traditional manner. I'm guessing that your definition of socialism is a bit different then mine. To me, Socialism implies that the government either owns or strongly regulates major industries. While the US government on paper does have strong regulations, those regulations are often written by the industry they are supposed to regulate and changed when that industry wants them changed. Thus real control is much lower then the pile of regulation would suggest. All resources/people belong to the state. The state decides who receives the rewards. I would consider the idea that everything belongs to the state as true of both communism and facism and not true of proper socalism. And Bush leans a lot more towards the facist then communistic end of the spectrum. Jay
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Post #218,095
8/8/05 9:52:51 AM
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state owned and operated is socialism, how else to define?
Just call me Mr. Lynch \\
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #218,214
8/8/05 5:59:07 PM
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But not all
Economically socialism implies significant but not total control of industry. Either thru by owning companies or heavy regulation.
Total ownership of all industry is more or less exclusive to communism. However fascism and other authoritarian governments often have total control over industry through regulation and outright orders, without having ownership.
Jay
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Post #218,089
8/8/05 9:27:10 AM
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Scored a -1 on order and 1.5 on rules
I think there is a bit of a problem with the test though, in that many of the questions had more then one answer I would consider correct and question 2 had no answer I consider correct. A test of morals should put you in the posistion of carefully weighing options, but this test doesn't allow for certain subtle issues.
I think a better view of the matter could be created with a test that let you rank each statement on an agree/disagree scale. I would agree with every answer given for question 11 to some degree, but disagree with every answer for question 2. As it is, the test format probably pushed me a bit higher on both scales.
Jay
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Post #218,097
8/8/05 10:38:54 AM
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Hmmm.
Your Score
Your scored 0.5 on the Moral Order axis and 0.5 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Systems&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalSystems.Authoritarianism|Authoritarianism]
2. Variation: [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Variations&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalVariations.Moderate_Authoritarianism|Moderate Authoritarianism]
3. Ideologies: [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Ideologies&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalIdeologies.Social_Republicanism|Social Republicanism]
4. US Parties: [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_Parties&Choices=Democratic%20Party|Democratic Party]
5. Presidents: [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_Presidents&Choices=Gerald%20Ford%20(84.38%)|Gerald Ford (84.38%)]
6. 2004 Election Candidates: [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_2004_Elections&Choices=John%20Kerry%20(80.99%)|John Kerry (80.99%)], [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_2004_Elections&Choices=Ralph%20Nader%20(71.19%)|Ralph Nader (71.19%)], [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_2004_Elections&Choices=George%20W.%20Bush%20(68.59%)|George W. Bush (68.59%)]
Statistics
Of the 98373 people who took the test:
1. 2.2% had the same score as you.
2. 33.7% were above you on the chart.
3. 54.6% were below you on the chart.
4. 28.2% were to your right on the chart.
5. 60.2% were to your left on the chart. Like Jay, I didn't like many of the choices for questions. Politics have really morphed over time if Ford and Kerry are soulmates! But it looks like I'm almost equidistant from most of the [link|http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_Presidents&Choices=Gerald%20Ford%20(84.38%)|recent presidents and candidates]. FWIW. Cheers, Scott. (Just call me the Radical Moderate.)
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Post #218,099
8/8/05 11:05:53 AM
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-3/0.5
I found that most of the questions didn't measure along any axis that I care much about. Which may be why I came out fairly close to center.
Furthermore in many cases none of the answers fit me very well at all.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #218,105
8/8/05 11:46:01 AM
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-2 on the Moral Order axis and -1.5 on the Moral Rules axis
Matches
# System: Liberalism
# Variation: Moderate Liberalism
# Ideologies: Capital Democratism
# US Parties: Democratic Party
# Presidents: Bill Clinton (90.12%)
# 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (95.06%), Ralph Nader (79.15%)
Statistics
Of the 98382 people who took the test:
1. 0.9% had the same score as you.
2. 45.4% were above you on the chart.
3. 47.6% were below you on the chart.
4. 47.3% were to your right on the chart.
5. 30.8% were to your left on the chart.
Right (er, Left :-D ) on the money for me!
Peace,
Amy
Illegitimi non corborundum.
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Post #218,109
8/8/05 12:21:33 PM
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Survey says: You're married to a dang liberal
Your scored 2 on the Moral Order axis and -3.5 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
# System: Conservatism
# Variation: Moderate Conservatism
# Ideologies: Capital Republicanism
# US Parties: Republican Party
# Presidents: Richard Nixon (95.58%)
# 2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (85.18%), John Kerry (76.93%), Ralph Nader (59.44%)
Statistics
Of the 98395 people who took the test:
1. 0.6% had the same score as you.
2. 68.1% were above you on the chart.
3. 26.4% were below you on the chart.
4. 13.9% were to your right on the chart.
5. 77.8% were to your left on the chart.
[Of course, I didn't vote for the Neocons, as I think they've abandoned conservatism proper.]
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Post #218,110
8/8/05 12:27:29 PM
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Twin sons of different mothers?
Identical score.
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Steve
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Post #218,191
8/8/05 5:12:26 PM
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GAHHHH!!!!! I'm married to a Republican??????
Must. find. deprogrammer. fast.
Stay calm, honey. I think there's some kind of medicine you can take for that.
It's called Southern Comfort.
:-D
Love ya!
Amy
Illegitimi non corborundum.
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Post #218,217
8/8/05 6:07:57 PM
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Heh.. so we'uns gots our own Carville + whatshername duo ?!
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Post #218,223
8/8/05 6:21:56 PM
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'cept'n I'm the Dem and He's the Pub :0D
James Carville and Mary Matalin
Peace,
Amy
Illegitimi non corborundum.
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Post #218,222
8/8/05 6:19:33 PM
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You only discover this after 2 decades of marriage?
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #218,229
8/8/05 6:28:16 PM
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Frankly, I think...
He answered the questions wrong. He told me his voting history and believe me, he is NOT NOT NOT a Republican. I had certain rules before we got married and NOT BEING A REPUBLICAN was TOP on the list!!!!
No peace in the kingdom tonight! :-D
Amy
Illegitimi non corborundum.
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Post #218,121
8/8/05 2:01:59 PM
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This is as expected
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: Liberalism
2. Variation: Moderate Liberalism, Moral Liberalism
3. Ideologies: Capital Democratism
4. US Parties: Democratic Party
5. Presidents: John F Kennedy (95.58%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (95.58%), Ralph Nader (84.07%), George W. Bush (58.07%)
Statistics
Of the 98415 people who took the test:
1. 0.4% had the same score as you.
2. 52.4% were above you on the chart.
3. 31.9% were below you on the chart.
4. 77.1% were to your right on the chart.
5. 16.3% were to your left on the chart Not nearly as a surprise as the thing that proclained me a Druid.... jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #218,150
8/8/05 3:36:50 PM
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Re: Moral Politics Test
Your Score
Your scored -2.5 on the Moral Order axis and 1.5 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: Socialism
2. Variation: Moderate Socialism
3. Ideologies: Social Democratism
4. US Parties: No match.
5. Presidents: Jimmy Carter (90.62%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (84.38%), Ralph Nader (84.38%), George W. Bush (56.14%)
Statistics
Of the 98437 people who took the test:
1. 1.1% had the same score as you.
2. 26.4% were above you on the chart.
3. 66.3% were below you on the chart.
4. 47.3% were to your right on the chart.
5. 30.8% were to your left on the chart.
apt-get install godlike-powers
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Post #218,151
8/8/05 3:37:17 PM
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Not too surprised
Your scored -3.5 on the Moral Order axis and 2 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: Socialism
2. Variation: Moderate Socialism
3. Ideologies: Social Democratism
4. US Parties: No match.
5. Presidents: Jimmy Carter (90.89%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: Ralph Nader (88.10%), John Kerry (82.18%), George W. Bush (51.34%)
Statistics
Of the 98435 people who took the test:
1. 1.1% had the same score as you.
2. 14% were above you on the chart.
3. 73.6% were below you on the chart.
4. 69.2% were to your right on the chart.
5. 22.9% were to your left on the chart.
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Guess I need to go form my own party.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #218,165
8/8/05 4:02:27 PM
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Got -2 +1, Moderate Socialist, Carter Democrat
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #218,199
8/8/05 5:25:53 PM
8/8/05 5:26:48 PM
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-3/3.5 No match for US poltical parties.
Why am I not surprised? Good thing I turned out to be a Carter supporter, since I worked for him in 1976.
[Edit: The rest of the foo]
Your Score
Your scored -3 on the Moral Order axis and 3.5 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: Socialism
2. Variation: Moderate Socialism
3. Ideologies: Social Democratism
4. US Parties: No match.
5. Presidents: Jimmy Carter (83.91%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: Ralph Nader (82.74%), John Kerry (75.69%), George W. Bush (48.41%)
Statistics
Of the 98462 people who took the test:
1. 0.7% had the same score as you.
2. 9.5% were above you on the chart.
3. 86% were below you on the chart.
4. 69.2% were to your right on the chart.
5. 22.9% were to your left on the chart.
bcnu,
Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Edited by mmoffitt
Aug. 8, 2005, 05:26:48 PM EDT
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Post #218,219
8/8/05 6:12:12 PM
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Why I must hate Bush
As an experiment, I entered the answers I despised the most and got this.
[image|http://www.moral-politics.com/Temp/Pol_7ed6c9a754714ec0b99f93b26874a90e.png||||]
Your Score
Your scored 6.5 on the Moral Order axis and -6.5 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
System: Conservatism
Variation: Extreme Conservatism
Ideologies: PaleoConservatism, Conservative NeoLiberalism
US Parties: Republican Party
Presidents: George W. Bush (90.62%)
2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (90.62%), John Kerry (53.54%), Ralph Nader (35.58%)
George Bush is a good match to everything I despise. That's scary.
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #218,241
8/8/05 6:50:04 PM
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Post #218,246
8/8/05 7:18:07 PM
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About as middle of the road as you can get!
Your Score
Your scored 0 on the Moral Order axis and -1 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: Conservatism, Liberalism
2. Variation: Moderate Conservatism, Moderate Liberalism
3. Ideologies: Capital Republicanism, Capital Democratism
4. US Parties: Republican Party, Democratic Party
5. Presidents: Gerald Ford (91.16%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (86.02%), Ralph Nader (72.05%), George W. Bush (71.70%)
[link|http://www.moral-politics.com/Temp/Pol_b84343e97dd14c9aa17984d61882d6f1.png|http://www.moral-pol...984d61882d6f1.png]
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Post #218,288
8/8/05 10:13:08 PM
8/8/05 10:13:57 PM
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Nope. Got you beat.
Your Score
Your scored -0.5 on the Moral Order axis and 0.5 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: Socialism
2. Variation: Moderate Socialism
3. Ideologies: Social Democratism
4. US Parties: Democratic Party
5. Presidents: Jimmy Carter (84.38%), Gerald Ford (84.38%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (84.38%), Ralph Nader (75.59%), George W. Bush (65.62%)
Edited by n3jja
Aug. 8, 2005, 10:13:57 PM EDT
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Post #218,293
8/8/05 10:39:49 PM
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No you didn't
While you may zero out if you merely add the scores, my zero entry had me straddling a line, which in turn had a huge impact on my descriptions.
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Post #219,255
8/14/05 6:13:16 PM
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I'm in...
our Score
Your scored -3.5 on the Moral Order axis and -3 on the Moral Rules axis.
Matches
The following items best match your score:
1. System: Liberalism
2. Variation: Moderate Liberalism
3. Ideologies: Capital Democratism
4. US Parties: Democratic Party
5. Presidents: Bill Clinton (96.88%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (95.06%), Ralph Nader (79.15%), George W. Bush (61.41%)
Statistics
Of the 100342 people who took the test:
1. 0.4% had the same score as you.
2. 68.1% were above you on the chart.
3. 26.4% were below you on the chart.
4. 69.2% were to your right on the chart.
5. 22.9% were to your left on the chart.
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #219,333
8/15/05 7:39:34 AM
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-1, -1.5; Gerald Ford (92.03%). BTW, WTF izzup with those...
Here's what it claims we believe in, me and Gerry: System: Liberalism
Variation: Moderate Liberalism
Ideologies: Capital Democratism
US Parties: Democratic Party ...'sup with those bizarre "System", "Variation", and "Ideologies" thingies? I mean, do they think "US Parties" is the only US-specific concept there?!? Who the FUCK ever heard of a "system" called "Liberalism", a "variation" thereof called "Moderate Liberalism", or -- most ridiculous of all -- an "Ideology" called "Capital Democratism" outside the United States of Mangled English?
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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