Post #217,156
8/3/05 12:43:53 AM
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The Final Curtain Call
From (Shelby) Lyon's ~daily chess column .. for which I'm unable to find an archive or even, this one of 7-29-05 (And #%^#% sfgate has an even shittier 'search' nonfunction of Chron contents than Yahoo has of most everything): [Chess problem elided] The era of man versus machine in chess is having its final curtain call. The actors may now gracefully accept the accolades and flowers, and take their bows. The drama has lost its intensity in recent years as machine domination has become inevitable.
The recent crushing defeat of Michael Adam by the Adu Dhabi chess computer Hydra - aptly named The Destroyer - appears to be the final act. What remains will be mopping up and commentary.
It's been an engaging enterprise of human scientific curiosity and ingenuity. There are of course, wonderful stories and images that linger.
I recall a young Gary Kasparov telling me that defeat by computers would be a tragedy for mankind. He did not imagine that, a decade later, he would become the self-appointed symbol for what he feared the most. Nor could he have imagined that he would earn millions in waging his own computer wars and would himself become an enduring subject of legend and myth as a result
Ironically, chess-playing programs and databases are now his constant companions and tireless unpaid assistants. They have raised his level of play and probably prolonged his effective playing career.
The heroes in this saga are both the wonderful conceptualizers and tinkerers who designed the machines and the human players who with equal curiosity and wonder eagerly engaged them.
I fondly cherish my own firsthand encounters with many of these pioneers.
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Post #217,160
8/3/05 5:42:09 AM
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It is to weep.
I should, by now, have become accustomed to the tremendous loss of humanity the bit twiddlers have foisted upon us. Yet the pain is still there as I observe the masses march on in lockstep to the "really neat" destruction of all that makes us human. How long before we hear (as we did earlier with trigonometry, calculus and even arithmetic), "Why play chess? A computer can do it better." Even our music now is just a stream of bits emanating from one binary device or another.
The only question left for me is "Which is more sad? The fact that we have lost so much for the benefit of so few or that the majority think that said loss is a good thing?" As I watch my daughters prefer virtual reality to actual reality I am truly disheartened and begin to think that I may have outlived my time. Where have all the artisans gone?
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #217,238
8/3/05 12:45:59 PM
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computers can't emulate dirt, hunger and grinding poverty
cant lockstep when you are trying to connive a meal or escape the police. thanx, bill
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Post #217,244
8/3/05 1:02:41 PM
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And whom, pray tell, is concerned with that?
I know, I know, there are still a handful of bleeding heart liberals out there. ;0)
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #217,247
8/3/05 1:11:32 PM
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Are there shortcuts to be had?
Or did Moore's law finally make brute force algorithms acceptable. Seems to me that most of the shortcuts that were taken had little applicability outside of the specific domain of playing chess. And brute force is fine when the rules and the possible combinations are fixed.
But the whole impetus of chess as a means of discovering the process of machine learning seems to have been unfulfilled. Perhaps the mystery has been taken away from chess, as we will come to see it as a problem that can be computed and calculated (just like addition and subtraction used to be viewed as a true form of human intelligence).
Ah well, there's always Go - where the computers are still getting the sh*t kicked out of them. :-)
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Post #217,282
8/3/05 3:42:36 PM
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And I don't buy the "proof" of the 4 color theorem either.
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #217,308
8/3/05 5:48:08 PM
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I'll drink some Absinthe to that..
Not even a compact hour of Nova can untaint that pyramid of anti-intuitive machine-massaging into a 'Proof' of anything inspiring Belief or even cha-cha-cha... Or as AE put it The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. It was the experience of mystery--even if mixed with fear-that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms-it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature. from, The World as I See ItOf course too re Chess, the possibility -nay Hope!- of the simultaneous yet divergent multiple attack - G\ufffddel will bite the serial-plodding bit pushers in that rotating accumulator, eventually -- this sucker ain't nothin like er Turing-complete? All that needs doing is Golf-handicap - make those sucker-machines suffer under scaled time-constraints. Er, \ufffd 2005 Mua-dlin Associates LLC RIP Alan - but if you'da liked gurrls... well.. we mighta had MasterCard consolidated-debt Off-the-Top --> [The 1%'s Repository under Yucca Mountain and The Caymans] decades earlier! :(
More notes from the expurgated edition, It's a Wondeerful LifeEv'ry v^v^ time a v^v little bell ^v^ rings Another pissed-off-Angel bites off an Economist's brain stem
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Post #217,344
8/3/05 9:21:28 PM
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I believe Moore's law
IIRC, a factor of 10 improvement in computing is estimated to give you about +200 on the ELO scale. And that improvement takes about 5 years to deliver.
Deep Blue, being specialized hardware and massively parallel, was several years beyond what commodity hardware could do.
That's why it beat Kasparov, then we had several years of computers losing or drawing to top players.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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