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Post #214,628
by warmachine
7/13/05 12:16:57 PM
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New Not for the purpose of statistics
For the purpose of GDP statistics, the breadwinner is being paid for what he does at the workplace. This is taxable. Alas, keeping the kids in new shoes is not part of the job. There is no formal or known-and-recognised transaction between breadwinner and housewife (or househusband). Now, if a nanny was being paid (and taxed), that would be different. If it can't be measured, it does not exist. The statisticians don't even bother trying to guess, it seems.
Matthew Greet


Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
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Post #214,679
by ChrisR
7/13/05 4:15:29 PM
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New Probably a Good Thing...
If they could statistically measure the value as a part of GDP, then the IRS would probably start taxing us for it.
Post #214,732
by ben_tilly
7/14/05 11:23:50 AM
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New There are attempts to account for unpaid work
They tend to run into the big problem that you can make up virtually any number that you want to for many things that get done. However every attempt to estimate says that there is a lot of it, and most is done by women.

However this is a huge issue. For instance suppose that a society goes from mostly single-income families to dual-income and there is a slight increase in family income. Traditional economics shows an increase in family wealth. However the families in question might prefer a few more home-cooked meals and a little less McDonalds! (This is exactly the transition that has happened to the middle-class from the 70's to now. I strongly suspect that real standards of living have fallen, even though statistically there is a slight rise documented...)

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Freedom Commission on Mental Health? - (warmachine) - (43) - July 7, 2005, 03:04:55 AM EDT
         Re: Freedom Commission on Mental Health? - (Steve Lowe) - (2) - July 7, 2005, 03:11:52 AM EDT
             No longer newsworthy? - (warmachine) - (1) - July 7, 2005, 06:14:02 AM EDT
                 It's the USA PATRIOT Act. - (Another Scott) - July 7, 2005, 09:25:30 AM EDT
         I agree with you- what a dumb name - (bionerd) - (2) - July 7, 2005, 09:08:02 AM EDT
             No, you misunderstand freedom - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 7, 2005, 12:08:07 PM EDT
                 "Freedom Shall Be Served"? Yeah, and Freedom is a dish... - (CRConrad) - July 7, 2005, 02:45:51 PM EDT
         And there are those of us who remember.... - (imqwerky) - (36) - July 12, 2005, 05:19:02 PM EDT
             There are even some of us who remember... - (CRConrad) - (5) - July 12, 2005, 06:21:31 PM EDT
                 {Harr rr umpph..} -NT - (Ashton) - (3) - July 12, 2005, 06:26:42 PM EDT
                     Not only correcting spelling, now he's into punctuation... - (ChrisR) - (2) - July 12, 2005, 06:29:44 PM EDT
                         'S OK though - - (Ashton) - (1) - July 12, 2005, 07:28:44 PM EDT
                             It's a loosing cause -NT - (ChrisR) - July 12, 2005, 11:10:55 PM EDT
                 the extra period was for the product - (imqwerky) - July 13, 2005, 12:52:44 AM EDT
             Freedom from what? - (bionerd) - (29) - July 13, 2005, 11:17:07 AM EDT
                 agree with last, but why do you get pissed off either way? -NT - (boxley) - (3) - July 13, 2005, 11:19:03 AM EDT
                     Obviously, she needs to purchase one of these products! -NT - (ChrisR) - July 13, 2005, 11:28:18 AM EDT
                     Are you referring to the global "you" - (bionerd) - (1) - July 13, 2005, 02:30:54 PM EDT
                         I'm sure he'll be there too. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 13, 2005, 02:38:43 PM EDT
                 Keep on ranting! - (warmachine) - (24) - July 13, 2005, 11:47:15 AM EDT
                     what you mean no money changes hands? - (boxley) - (23) - July 13, 2005, 12:01:38 PM EDT
                         Not for the purpose of statistics - (warmachine) - (2) - July 13, 2005, 12:16:57 PM EDT
                             Probably a Good Thing... - (ChrisR) - July 13, 2005, 04:15:29 PM EDT
                             There are attempts to account for unpaid work - (ben_tilly) - July 14, 2005, 11:23:50 AM EDT
                         You didnt just say women ASSIST men in rearing a family! - (bionerd) - (19) - July 13, 2005, 02:56:26 PM EDT
                             tap tap - (ben_tilly) - July 14, 2005, 11:00:44 AM EDT
                             men always pay, one way or another thats how it works - (boxley) - (13) - July 14, 2005, 11:20:40 AM EDT
                                 Believe it or not... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 11:38:13 AM EDT
                                     there is more in the word "pay" than monetary advantage -NT - (boxley) - July 14, 2005, 11:51:29 AM EDT
                                 Another county heard from... - (imqwerky) - (7) - July 14, 2005, 12:04:21 PM EDT
                                     Watch what you wish for . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - July 14, 2005, 12:15:14 PM EDT
                                         You mean Condoleeza Rice? - (ben_tilly) - (5) - July 14, 2005, 12:52:37 PM EDT
                                             That's so he can give the good ole boys - (bionerd) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 05:21:10 PM EDT
                                                 I wasn't commenting on why he did so. - (ben_tilly) - July 14, 2005, 05:34:05 PM EDT
                                             Everybody knows... - (imqwerky) - (2) - July 14, 2005, 07:50:11 PM EDT
                                                 So That's why we've never seen her - (Ashton) - (1) - July 15, 2005, 06:27:05 PM EDT
                                                     I've been corrupted - (imqwerky) - July 15, 2005, 07:29:07 PM EDT
                                 I am a divorced person, you big neaderthal! - (bionerd) - (2) - July 14, 2005, 05:30:12 PM EDT
                                     does he cringe everytime your name is mentioned? - (boxley) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 07:56:19 PM EDT
                                         I certainly hope so. -NT - (bionerd) - July 15, 2005, 10:50:40 AM EDT
                             Sounds about time for - - (Ashton) - (3) - July 14, 2005, 05:06:25 PM EDT
                                 Just for fun - (imqwerky) - (2) - July 14, 2005, 08:11:26 PM EDT
                                     {chortle} then there's the Grameen Bank - (Ashton) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 10:14:54 PM EDT
                                         No kidding :) -NT - (imqwerky) - July 14, 2005, 10:40:07 PM EDT

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