howabout the 1857 supreme court?

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6/28/05 1:49:49 PM

howabout the 1857 supreme court?

"It would give to persons of the negro race, ... the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, ... the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went."

scott vs sandford. Sounds like no militia required.
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forget f*** the police, police can now f*** you - (andread) - (98) - June 27, 2005, 12:14:56 PM EDT

NRA has been pointing that out for years - (drewk) - (97) - June 27, 2005, 12:41:24 PM EDT

Why sorry? -NT - (imric) - (2) - June 27, 2005, 01:31:56 PM EDT

For passing up a golden opportunity to not make a bad pun -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 27, 2005, 01:43:26 PM EDT

Ah.... - (imric) - June 27, 2005, 02:34:45 PM EDT

Amendment 2 grants - (mmoffitt) - (93) - June 27, 2005, 02:30:26 PM EDT

Once again, look up Militia. - (imric) - (40) - June 27, 2005, 02:42:42 PM EDT

Indiana National Guard, Illinois National Guard, etc. HTH -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - June 27, 2005, 03:03:45 PM EDT

Nope. Insist all you like. - (imric) - (1) - June 27, 2005, 03:07:07 PM EDT

*tilt* -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 27, 2005, 05:50:30 PM EDT

Since defn # 3 there is by definition not able to be... - (CRConrad) - (36) - June 27, 2005, 03:13:24 PM EDT

What was the definition of "militia" when it was written? - (drewk) - (35) - June 27, 2005, 03:26:45 PM EDT

Defn 2 seems to point to National Guard. NG != Regular Army. -NT - (CRConrad) - (34) - June 27, 2005, 04:11:04 PM EDT

A militia = citizen soldiers - (Silverlock) - (33) - June 27, 2005, 04:38:03 PM EDT

If Amendment 2 concerned private ownership, ... - (mmoffitt) - (32) - June 27, 2005, 05:52:30 PM EDT

Show me where it says "State militia" - (drewk) - (31) - June 27, 2005, 05:54:54 PM EDT

Please see Miller, 1938. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (30) - June 28, 2005, 11:56:06 AM EDT

miller has nothing to do with states rights, - (boxley) - (29) - June 28, 2005, 01:02:14 PM EDT

Nice parsing. Missed the intent of the ruling entirely. - (mmoffitt) - (28) - June 28, 2005, 01:05:46 PM EDT

Yeah, it says just what the Box said it says. - (Andrew Grygus) - June 28, 2005, 01:08:57 PM EDT

Strictly to do with concealed weapons. -NT - (admin) - June 28, 2005, 01:17:42 PM EDT

dont see the word "state run" anywhere in there -NT - (boxley) - (24) - June 28, 2005, 01:22:26 PM EDT

Whose "militia" is it? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (23) - June 28, 2005, 01:26:14 PM EDT

Why, THE PEOPLE'S, of course. - (imric) - (21) - June 28, 2005, 01:34:16 PM EDT

You're almost there. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - June 28, 2005, 03:03:27 PM EDT

It was a tweak, son. I say, a tweak. - (imric) - (19) - June 28, 2005, 03:30:58 PM EDT

It is a right to collectively protect a State. - (mmoffitt) - (18) - June 28, 2005, 03:54:42 PM EDT

And the way to do it is for people to KEEP and BEAR arms. - (imric) - (17) - June 28, 2005, 04:11:55 PM EDT

My last on this. And I don't think you can argue this point. - (mmoffitt) - (16) - June 28, 2005, 05:16:23 PM EDT

I think you're wrong about this. - (Another Scott) - June 28, 2005, 05:59:13 PM EDT

Sure I can. - (imric) - (14) - June 28, 2005, 08:18:42 PM EDT

By all means.. Go For It - (Ashton) - (13) - June 28, 2005, 09:49:30 PM EDT

Funny, Ash. - (imric) - (12) - June 28, 2005, 11:10:53 PM EDT

in a pinch Ashton is not unarmed, he just regrets the need -NT - (boxley) - (11) - June 28, 2005, 11:25:17 PM EDT

Regrets the need? - (imric) - (10) - June 29, 2005, 12:58:05 AM EDT

You aren't really going to get it, are you? - (Ashton) - (9) - June 29, 2005, 02:33:24 AM EDT

Silly boy. - (imric) - (8) - June 29, 2005, 07:09:04 AM EDT

{chortle} Thanks for playing. - (Ashton) - (7) - June 29, 2005, 05:04:10 PM EDT

For Ash, the word "succinct" is blasphemy - (Silverlock) - (6) - June 29, 2005, 09:40:48 PM EDT

simple he scratches his arse - (boxley) - (3) - June 29, 2005, 09:48:02 PM EDT

For Box, the word "clarity", no, I won't do it. -NT - (Silverlock) - (2) - June 29, 2005, 09:56:45 PM EDT

Dude, you just did -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 29, 2005, 10:42:33 PM EDT

Is your it, his it? -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 29, 2005, 10:47:44 PM EDT

[Gawd] + [Guns] = will never a sonnet make. (The VB version) -NT - (Ashton) - June 29, 2005, 11:54:10 PM EDT

Silverlock, when you get Ash and Box in a debate... - (jb4) - June 30, 2005, 11:16:54 AM EDT

Militia is the same as Posse - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 01:44:49 PM EDT

So they defined what arms are covered - (drewk) - June 28, 2005, 02:12:54 PM EDT

Miller decision is as valid as USSC elect bush decision -NT - (boxley) - (51) - June 27, 2005, 02:43:38 PM EDT

Hardly. - (mmoffitt) - (50) - June 27, 2005, 03:03:05 PM EDT

so the militia helping the border guards - (boxley) - (49) - June 27, 2005, 03:38:23 PM EDT

Those are your prime examples of *well-regulated* militias? -NT - (CRConrad) - (48) - June 27, 2005, 04:10:00 PM EDT

certainly they are well regulated, by members - (boxley) - (47) - June 27, 2005, 04:16:37 PM EDT

That's why they call themselves eg: Michigan Militia -NT - (drewk) - (46) - June 27, 2005, 04:27:24 PM EDT

That's a private (non-State Sanctioned) group. - (mmoffitt) - (45) - June 27, 2005, 05:53:53 PM EDT

Amendment 2 doesn't say "state sanctioned" -NT - (admin) - (44) - June 27, 2005, 06:10:42 PM EDT

Amendment 2 concerns States' Rights. - (mmoffitt) - (43) - June 28, 2005, 11:55:25 AM EDT

Nope. Wrong again. - (imric) - (9) - June 28, 2005, 12:39:05 PM EDT

Nice try. It's *YOU* that needs an amendment. - (mmoffitt) - June 28, 2005, 12:59:52 PM EDT

Any non-contorted reading of that sentence . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - June 28, 2005, 01:04:21 PM EDT

No. - (mmoffitt) - June 28, 2005, 01:07:33 PM EDT

Also... - (pwhysall) - (5) - June 28, 2005, 01:13:59 PM EDT

Well, a case could be made . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 28, 2005, 01:24:52 PM EDT

Re: Well, a case could be made . . - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 07:21:39 PM EDT

I think crew served weapons would not be in order - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 07:42:39 PM EDT

you can own artillery, and use it on special occasions - (boxley) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 01:42:51 PM EDT

My uncle has a "3 pounder". - (Another Scott) - June 28, 2005, 02:07:35 PM EDT

You're reaching. - (admin) - (32) - June 28, 2005, 12:57:55 PM EDT

So, I, the ENTIRE legal community and the USSC are wrong. - (mmoffitt) - (31) - June 28, 2005, 01:00:23 PM EDT

Entire Legal community? hardly -NT - (boxley) - (6) - June 28, 2005, 01:03:08 PM EDT

*blam* *VRRRROooooommmmm....* -NT - (pwhysall) - June 28, 2005, 01:04:33 PM EDT

Find a respected law journal that argues the NRA's position. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - June 28, 2005, 01:08:02 PM EDT

Lawyers have a very obvious agenda. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 01:20:51 PM EDT

I never suggested they did. -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 28, 2005, 01:25:50 PM EDT

US Justice Department? Oh you said respected :-) -NT - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 01:23:32 PM EDT

howabout the 1857 supreme court? - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 01:49:49 PM EDT

Miller was about *concealed* weapons. -NT - (admin) - (23) - June 28, 2005, 01:19:37 PM EDT

Transport of a sawed-off shotgun. - (mmoffitt) - (22) - June 28, 2005, 01:24:37 PM EDT

Er, yes. A concealed weapon. Your point? -NT - (admin) - June 28, 2005, 01:48:56 PM EDT

And you'll notice - (bepatient) - (4) - June 28, 2005, 02:09:06 PM EDT

You, Scott and the NRA, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - June 28, 2005, 03:04:46 PM EDT

I'm not an NRA member. - (bepatient) - (2) - June 28, 2005, 04:46:59 PM EDT

See my last. You are, once again, wrong. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 05:17:11 PM EDT

Oh, I don't think so. - (bepatient) - June 28, 2005, 10:11:57 PM EDT

apparently you can roll your own machine guns now - (boxley) - (15) - June 28, 2005, 02:21:11 PM EDT

Don't hold your breath. - (mmoffitt) - (14) - June 28, 2005, 03:08:37 PM EDT

You realize that was the intent, right? - (drewk) - (13) - June 28, 2005, 03:17:47 PM EDT

Wrong. But it's pointless to argue this anymore. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 03:53:40 PM EDT

yes you are...and yes it is. -NT - (bepatient) - June 28, 2005, 04:49:53 PM EDT

In many ways the whole thing is a Grand Diversion - << \ufffd >>- - (Ashton) - (10) - June 28, 2005, 05:34:52 PM EDT

Not a toughie. - (Yendor) - June 28, 2005, 05:44:10 PM EDT

heck, the only gun I ever need,,, is your gun - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 06:59:07 PM EDT

I should have fled when I had the chance. -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 29, 2005, 10:08:52 AM EDT

Follow your pyramid. - (bepatient) - (6) - June 29, 2005, 10:33:15 AM EDT

Maslow builds pyramids - (Ashton) - (5) - June 29, 2005, 05:23:21 PM EDT

ROFL! -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 29, 2005, 05:25:00 PM EDT

Point well ignored, I see. -NT - (bepatient) - (3) - June 29, 2005, 09:30:32 PM EDT

Hardly missed. Different priorities on my pyramid. -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - June 30, 2005, 12:09:20 AM EDT

I keep forgetting - (bepatient) - (1) - June 30, 2005, 01:56:09 PM EDT

I keep remembering - (Ashton) - June 30, 2005, 04:14:55 PM EDT

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