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Post #212,858 by Andrew Grygus 6/28/05 1:04:21 PM Reply	Any non-contorted reading of that sentence . . . . . makes clear the people are to be armed so they are ready and able to participate in a militia. By this logic the people should be armed with weapons appropriate to a militia, which makes clear that the recently expired ban on assault rifles was, in fact, unconstitutional. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #212,861 by mmoffitt 6/28/05 1:07:33 PM Reply	No. And the reason the decision was made the way it was is my point (and that of the rest of the legal community's) exactly. That ruling concerned "private ownership unrelated to the arming of a State's militia." bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #212,864 by pwhysall 6/28/05 1:13:59 PM Reply	Also... RPGs, battlefield nukes and artillery. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #212,874 by Andrew Grygus 6/28/05 1:24:52 PM Reply	Well, a case could be made . . . . that classes of weapons unknown to the writers could be excluded, since they did not have the opportunity to exclude them. Artillery did exist and I see no reason to ban private ownership of artillery. It's kind of difficult to deploy, hard to conceal and expensive to operate so it's not quite the thing for a drive-by shooting. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #212,919 by pwhysall 6/28/05 7:21:39 PM Reply	Re: Well, a case could be made . . A recoilless rifle makes quite a mess and would sit nicely on the back of a truck. If classes of weapons unknown to the writers are excluded, it's basically down to muskets, pikes and sabres. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #212,923 by boxley 6/28/05 7:42:39 PM Reply	I think crew served weapons would not be in order as an individual right to bear arms, you cant load aim and fire without assistants, doesnt make the cut. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #212,878 by boxley 6/28/05 1:42:51 PM Reply	you can own artillery, and use it on special occasions A few restrictions, the shell cannot be HE/WP etc, as that comes under different jurisdictions as they are labelled explosives but a regular Mortar, cannon etc is fine. Thats why a 16inch gun is fine, an RPG is not. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #212,882 by Another Scott 6/28/05 2:07:35 PM Reply	My uncle has a "3 pounder". [link\|http://johnsmilitaryhistory.tripod.com/threepdr.html\|E.g. Here]. That's not his, but that's what it looks like. It's a replica. He's fired it at an artillery range. He once said he could own a machine gun if he had the necessary "tax stamp". YMMV. Cheers, Scott.

forget f*** the police, police can now f*** you - (andread) - (98) - June 27, 2005, 12:14:56 PM EDT

NRA has been pointing that out for years - (drewk) - (97) - June 27, 2005, 12:41:24 PM EDT

Why sorry? -NT - (imric) - (2) - June 27, 2005, 01:31:56 PM EDT

For passing up a golden opportunity to not make a bad pun -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 27, 2005, 01:43:26 PM EDT

Ah.... - (imric) - June 27, 2005, 02:34:45 PM EDT

Amendment 2 grants - (mmoffitt) - (93) - June 27, 2005, 02:30:26 PM EDT

Once again, look up Militia. - (imric) - (40) - June 27, 2005, 02:42:42 PM EDT

Indiana National Guard, Illinois National Guard, etc. HTH -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - June 27, 2005, 03:03:45 PM EDT

Nope. Insist all you like. - (imric) - (1) - June 27, 2005, 03:07:07 PM EDT

*tilt* -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 27, 2005, 05:50:30 PM EDT

Since defn # 3 there is by definition not able to be... - (CRConrad) - (36) - June 27, 2005, 03:13:24 PM EDT

What was the definition of "militia" when it was written? - (drewk) - (35) - June 27, 2005, 03:26:45 PM EDT

Defn 2 seems to point to National Guard. NG != Regular Army. -NT - (CRConrad) - (34) - June 27, 2005, 04:11:04 PM EDT

A militia = citizen soldiers - (Silverlock) - (33) - June 27, 2005, 04:38:03 PM EDT

If Amendment 2 concerned private ownership, ... - (mmoffitt) - (32) - June 27, 2005, 05:52:30 PM EDT

Show me where it says "State militia" - (drewk) - (31) - June 27, 2005, 05:54:54 PM EDT

Please see Miller, 1938. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (30) - June 28, 2005, 11:56:06 AM EDT

miller has nothing to do with states rights, - (boxley) - (29) - June 28, 2005, 01:02:14 PM EDT

Nice parsing. Missed the intent of the ruling entirely. - (mmoffitt) - (28) - June 28, 2005, 01:05:46 PM EDT

Yeah, it says just what the Box said it says. - (Andrew Grygus) - June 28, 2005, 01:08:57 PM EDT

Strictly to do with concealed weapons. -NT - (admin) - June 28, 2005, 01:17:42 PM EDT

dont see the word "state run" anywhere in there -NT - (boxley) - (24) - June 28, 2005, 01:22:26 PM EDT

Whose "militia" is it? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (23) - June 28, 2005, 01:26:14 PM EDT

Why, THE PEOPLE'S, of course. - (imric) - (21) - June 28, 2005, 01:34:16 PM EDT

You're almost there. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - June 28, 2005, 03:03:27 PM EDT

It was a tweak, son. I say, a tweak. - (imric) - (19) - June 28, 2005, 03:30:58 PM EDT

It is a right to collectively protect a State. - (mmoffitt) - (18) - June 28, 2005, 03:54:42 PM EDT

And the way to do it is for people to KEEP and BEAR arms. - (imric) - (17) - June 28, 2005, 04:11:55 PM EDT

My last on this. And I don't think you can argue this point. - (mmoffitt) - (16) - June 28, 2005, 05:16:23 PM EDT

I think you're wrong about this. - (Another Scott) - June 28, 2005, 05:59:13 PM EDT

Sure I can. - (imric) - (14) - June 28, 2005, 08:18:42 PM EDT

By all means.. Go For It - (Ashton) - (13) - June 28, 2005, 09:49:30 PM EDT

Funny, Ash. - (imric) - (12) - June 28, 2005, 11:10:53 PM EDT

in a pinch Ashton is not unarmed, he just regrets the need -NT - (boxley) - (11) - June 28, 2005, 11:25:17 PM EDT

Regrets the need? - (imric) - (10) - June 29, 2005, 12:58:05 AM EDT

You aren't really going to get it, are you? - (Ashton) - (9) - June 29, 2005, 02:33:24 AM EDT

Silly boy. - (imric) - (8) - June 29, 2005, 07:09:04 AM EDT

{chortle} Thanks for playing. - (Ashton) - (7) - June 29, 2005, 05:04:10 PM EDT

For Ash, the word "succinct" is blasphemy - (Silverlock) - (6) - June 29, 2005, 09:40:48 PM EDT

simple he scratches his arse - (boxley) - (3) - June 29, 2005, 09:48:02 PM EDT

For Box, the word "clarity", no, I won't do it. -NT - (Silverlock) - (2) - June 29, 2005, 09:56:45 PM EDT

Dude, you just did -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 29, 2005, 10:42:33 PM EDT

Is your it, his it? -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 29, 2005, 10:47:44 PM EDT

[Gawd] + [Guns] = will never a sonnet make. (The VB version) -NT - (Ashton) - June 29, 2005, 11:54:10 PM EDT

Silverlock, when you get Ash and Box in a debate... - (jb4) - June 30, 2005, 11:16:54 AM EDT

Militia is the same as Posse - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 01:44:49 PM EDT

So they defined what arms are covered - (drewk) - June 28, 2005, 02:12:54 PM EDT

Miller decision is as valid as USSC elect bush decision -NT - (boxley) - (51) - June 27, 2005, 02:43:38 PM EDT

Hardly. - (mmoffitt) - (50) - June 27, 2005, 03:03:05 PM EDT

so the militia helping the border guards - (boxley) - (49) - June 27, 2005, 03:38:23 PM EDT

Those are your prime examples of *well-regulated* militias? -NT - (CRConrad) - (48) - June 27, 2005, 04:10:00 PM EDT

certainly they are well regulated, by members - (boxley) - (47) - June 27, 2005, 04:16:37 PM EDT

That's why they call themselves eg: Michigan Militia -NT - (drewk) - (46) - June 27, 2005, 04:27:24 PM EDT

That's a private (non-State Sanctioned) group. - (mmoffitt) - (45) - June 27, 2005, 05:53:53 PM EDT

Amendment 2 doesn't say "state sanctioned" -NT - (admin) - (44) - June 27, 2005, 06:10:42 PM EDT

Amendment 2 concerns States' Rights. - (mmoffitt) - (43) - June 28, 2005, 11:55:25 AM EDT

Nope. Wrong again. - (imric) - (9) - June 28, 2005, 12:39:05 PM EDT

Nice try. It's *YOU* that needs an amendment. - (mmoffitt) - June 28, 2005, 12:59:52 PM EDT

Any non-contorted reading of that sentence . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - June 28, 2005, 01:04:21 PM EDT

No. - (mmoffitt) - June 28, 2005, 01:07:33 PM EDT

Also... - (pwhysall) - (5) - June 28, 2005, 01:13:59 PM EDT

Well, a case could be made . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 28, 2005, 01:24:52 PM EDT

Re: Well, a case could be made . . - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 07:21:39 PM EDT

I think crew served weapons would not be in order - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 07:42:39 PM EDT

you can own artillery, and use it on special occasions - (boxley) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 01:42:51 PM EDT

My uncle has a "3 pounder". - (Another Scott) - June 28, 2005, 02:07:35 PM EDT

You're reaching. - (admin) - (32) - June 28, 2005, 12:57:55 PM EDT

So, I, the ENTIRE legal community and the USSC are wrong. - (mmoffitt) - (31) - June 28, 2005, 01:00:23 PM EDT

Entire Legal community? hardly -NT - (boxley) - (6) - June 28, 2005, 01:03:08 PM EDT

*blam* *VRRRROooooommmmm....* -NT - (pwhysall) - June 28, 2005, 01:04:33 PM EDT

Find a respected law journal that argues the NRA's position. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - June 28, 2005, 01:08:02 PM EDT

Lawyers have a very obvious agenda. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 01:20:51 PM EDT

I never suggested they did. -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 28, 2005, 01:25:50 PM EDT

US Justice Department? Oh you said respected :-) -NT - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 01:23:32 PM EDT

howabout the 1857 supreme court? - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 01:49:49 PM EDT

Miller was about *concealed* weapons. -NT - (admin) - (23) - June 28, 2005, 01:19:37 PM EDT

Transport of a sawed-off shotgun. - (mmoffitt) - (22) - June 28, 2005, 01:24:37 PM EDT

Er, yes. A concealed weapon. Your point? -NT - (admin) - June 28, 2005, 01:48:56 PM EDT

And you'll notice - (bepatient) - (4) - June 28, 2005, 02:09:06 PM EDT

You, Scott and the NRA, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - June 28, 2005, 03:04:46 PM EDT

I'm not an NRA member. - (bepatient) - (2) - June 28, 2005, 04:46:59 PM EDT

See my last. You are, once again, wrong. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 05:17:11 PM EDT

Oh, I don't think so. - (bepatient) - June 28, 2005, 10:11:57 PM EDT

apparently you can roll your own machine guns now - (boxley) - (15) - June 28, 2005, 02:21:11 PM EDT

Don't hold your breath. - (mmoffitt) - (14) - June 28, 2005, 03:08:37 PM EDT

You realize that was the intent, right? - (drewk) - (13) - June 28, 2005, 03:17:47 PM EDT

Wrong. But it's pointless to argue this anymore. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 03:53:40 PM EDT

yes you are...and yes it is. -NT - (bepatient) - June 28, 2005, 04:49:53 PM EDT

In many ways the whole thing is a Grand Diversion - << \ufffd >>- - (Ashton) - (10) - June 28, 2005, 05:34:52 PM EDT

Not a toughie. - (Yendor) - June 28, 2005, 05:44:10 PM EDT

heck, the only gun I ever need,,, is your gun - (boxley) - June 28, 2005, 06:59:07 PM EDT

I should have fled when I had the chance. -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 29, 2005, 10:08:52 AM EDT

Follow your pyramid. - (bepatient) - (6) - June 29, 2005, 10:33:15 AM EDT

Maslow builds pyramids - (Ashton) - (5) - June 29, 2005, 05:23:21 PM EDT

ROFL! -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 29, 2005, 05:25:00 PM EDT

Point well ignored, I see. -NT - (bepatient) - (3) - June 29, 2005, 09:30:32 PM EDT

Hardly missed. Different priorities on my pyramid. -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - June 30, 2005, 12:09:20 AM EDT

I keep forgetting - (bepatient) - (1) - June 30, 2005, 01:56:09 PM EDT

I keep remembering - (Ashton) - June 30, 2005, 04:14:55 PM EDT

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