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New Democrats and their Dean problem
[link|http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/5/95119.shtml|Joe Biden backs away]

Except:

Asked about recent comments where Dean trashed Republicans as "evil" and said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay belongs in jail, Biden told ABC's "This Week": "He doesn't speak for me with that kind of rhetoric and I don't think he speaks for the majority of Democrats."

Asked if he thought Democrats needed to "rein [Dean] in," Biden said, "I don't presume to suggest that I could rein in any chairman. But I think that the response from the bulk of the elected Democrats - I don't imagine would be much different."

"I hope [Dean] listens," added the Delaware Democrat.

[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/04/AR2005060401733.html|John Edwards (remember him?) positions himself elsewhere]

Excerpt:

Edwards also disagreed with Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean's controversial comment in a speech to liberal activists Thursday that many Republicans "have never made an honest living in their lives."

"The chairman of the DNC is not the spokesman for the party," Edwards said. "He's a voice. I don't agree with it."

I say:

It's a sad sight when a defeated party eats its own. Everyone's looking for someone to blame. Someone other than himself. That's no way to rise from the ashes. You've got to live and learn, not deny and die. Yes, Dean's seriously f***ed up, and he always has been. So what's he doing in that position? What systematic failure put him there? That's the real question here, and nobody seems to be asking it.

Kerry was a terrible choice for a candidate, and it's the fault of the Democrat voters for not seeing that from the beginning. Was it that they couldn't see, or that they just didn't want to see? Dean was a terrible choice as well, and at least the voters saw that early on. But then the DNC went and appointed him the party's chairman. What on earth were they thinking?

Here's a clue: the common rationale for Dean as party chairman is his fundrasing abilities. This dovetails with a lot of other talk coming from the Democrats and from the Left (not the same thing, but it's getting ever harder to spearate them) They talk of politics as marketing, and of marketing as advertising. They think they lost on 2004 because they didn't "get the message out enough." Well, the message got out plenty. The problem was it met with massive sales resistance. A bigger ad budget isn't going to fix this. When you lose votes with your message, you can't make it up on volume.

And now they're all worshipping Hillary as their savior du jour. Good luck with that. She knows how to triangulate, but American sales resistance is up so high it's probably too late for that to make a difference. Plus, she's a Clinton. "Bill Clinton without the party in his pants" said one pundit. That's a bad thing, by the way. Red America is sick of phonies, and all these people can think to do is to pick a more convincing phony.

It seems the only way the Democrat party can catch a break is if the Republicans hand it to them. Witness that business with the judicial appointments. By the way, the appeasers will be remembered when the Republican party undergoes its mitosis and becomes the new two party system.


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Well, pardon us for winning the election.
New I would prefer Senator Graham to a coulteresque buffoon like
delay, frist et al. As president. If the dems are stupid enough to run hillary then it 8 more years of repos. Marlowe you hafta think of the downside. If the repos win again they will have 12 years of power and we will be deeper in the shit than ever before, who are they going to blame?
thanx,
bill
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New Blame won't matter by that point.
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  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #209989 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=209989|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New That's nothing
compared to the DeLay problem, the Frist problem, and the W problem. It'll pass.

FWIW, I caught a glimpse of Sean Hannity go all self righteous about this and in the next breath hype up his "Freedom Festival" featuring a bunch of redneck bands and Ann Coulter.

ANN COULTER!

He wigs out about Dean and hangs out with ANN FUCKING COULTER.

Motes, Logs, Jesus, you know.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

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"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:14 AM EDT
New You cute thing, you
Still here? Thought that stroking your blong had taken up all the energies your free hand could muster. Big. Fat. Thoughts. Oh, ho-ho...

dismissively,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New No comment on the Downing Street Memo, I see...
What was that you said, about not trusting liars?

Guess you can't trust the Bush admin any more.
Aleph-null bottles of beer on the wall, aleph-null bottles of beer.
You take one down, you pass it around,
Aleph-null bottles of beer on the wall!
New you are not following the talking points on that memo
it was an minor aid to Blair writing down what he thought was said and got it all wrong, dismissed. Dont forget that the reason these judges arnt being confirmed is because the democrats have forgotten about 911.
thanx,
bill
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
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New Damn Boxlish translator is on the fritz again...
Say WHAT?!?
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New straight from hannity's mouth
all the problems the democrats are causing by trying to stop the bush agenda is because they have forgotten 9/11/2001
thanx,
bill
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New Yer quoting HANNITY?!? Without the Sign?!?
Box, yer slipping...!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New around here your radio choices are
hannity baseball rap or western, and hannity has the best traffic updates.
thanx,
bill
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
[link|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/]

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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     Democrats and their Dean problem - (marlowe) - (11)
         I would prefer Senator Graham to a coulteresque buffoon like - (boxley) - (2)
             Blame won't matter by that point. -NT - (imric) - (1)
                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
         That's nothing - (tuberculosis)
         You cute thing, you - (rcareaga)
         No comment on the Downing Street Memo, I see... - (inthane-chan) - (5)
             you are not following the talking points on that memo - (boxley) - (4)
                 Damn Boxlish translator is on the fritz again... - (jb4) - (3)
                     straight from hannity's mouth - (boxley) - (2)
                         Yer quoting HANNITY?!? Without the Sign?!? - (jb4) - (1)
                             around here your radio choices are - (boxley)

LRPD Who Must Be Obeyed.
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