States get tough in Microsoft case

Post #20,660 by marlowe 12/7/01 1:09:48 PM Reply	States get tough in Microsoft case [link\|http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8100898.html?tag=mn_hd\|The fight goes on, kind of ] Excerpts: Among the highlights of states' requests outlined in a late draft of the document, according to sources: Tightening up perceived loopholes in the settlement agreement; changing the definition of "middleware" to be more in line with a Court of Appeals' decision; requiring Microsoft to ship a stripped-down version of Windows; compelling the software giant to ship Java with Windows XP; replacing a three-person oversight committee with a special master; and requiring Microsoft to continue offering Office for the Macintosh beyond the August expiration of an existing deal, and to develop a version of Office for Linux... Despite the long list of requests, the states' proposal isn't expected to go as far as some of Microsoft's competitors and legal experts expected, possibly signaling the litigating states would be willing to settle the case with stiffer restrictions on Microsoft's business practices. Some experts had expected the states to ask for the opening up of Windows source code to competitors, the forced removal of components--not just icons--from Windows, and the limited or complete ban on bundling, for example. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #20,678 by andread 12/7/01 3:27:07 PM Reply	States get tough? They want to require MS to make and sell more software there's a real punishment for a software company They want to require 'bundling' of Java with Win XP So IE is not a part of the OS but an add on to the browser is a part of the OS "They're the govt and they're here to help us" A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|http://wxxe.org]
Post #20,681 by Steven A S 12/7/01 3:35:42 PM Reply	Sun compliant Java I'd assume So that more middleware can be written as cross-platform applications. Of course I don't know how well that would work in the end. I have my doubts about how many companies would take advantage of that option. ~~~)-Steven---- "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..." General George S. Patton
Post #20,802 by jake123 12/8/01 8:46:00 PM Reply	Since when is java an add on to the browser? To be sure, there's a part of java which is an add on (ie- the plugin), but java is a lot more than an add on to the browser. In fact, most of the java I run here has nothing to do with a browser; in fact, I even run most applets outside of the browser as they use less memory and generally run faster when run with applet.exe. The idea that java is only an adjunct to the browser is a particularly Windows way of looking at it, where everything and a ham sandwich gets tossed into a seamless whole. I prefer modularity in my systems... -- ---------------------------------------------------------- * Jack Troughton jake at jakesplace.dhs.org * * [link\|http://jakesplace.dhs.org\|[link\|http://jakesplace.dhs.org\|http://jakesplace.dhs.org]] [link\|ftp://jakesplace.dhs.org\|[link\|ftp://jakesplace.dhs.org\|ftp://jakesplace.dhs.org]] * * Montr\ufffdal PQ Canada [link\|news://jakesplace.dhs.org\|news://jakesplace.dhs.org] * ----------------------------------------------------------
Post #20,817 by Andrew Grygus 12/9/01 2:31:22 AM Reply	Modularity not needed. Modularity was really only useful back in the "bad old days" when there was more than one software publisher. We wouldn't want to go back and deal with all that confusion again, would we? [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #20,823 by andread 12/9/01 9:43:19 AM Reply	Re: Since when is java an add on to the browser? That may be but what the states and others are upset about is that Win XP and IE6 do not include the JVM This impacts for most users on Internet browsing and not much else hence my earlier comments When I ran Win XP beta, I was prompted by the OS to download the JVM as soon as it was needed and it took 5 minutes on a slow conncection, obviously another sinister plot from Redmond A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|http://wxxe.org]
Post #20,824 by bepatient 12/9/01 9:51:02 AM Reply	Slow connection???? Its at least a 4 meg (almost 5) download....thats more than 5 minutes on a slow connection. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #20,828 by andread 12/9/01 1:47:31 PM Reply	Re: Slow connection???? well it seems slow compared to the cable modem at home A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|http://wxxe.org]
Post #20,842 by bepatient 12/9/01 6:52:08 PM Reply	Well I can tell you.. ...shared T1 access at work feels slow...and most dsl seems slow compared to the cable. Slack cut.... You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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