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Post #201,466
by Arkadiy
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3/31/05 3:26:24 PM
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New One of us is highly untypical.
(and I think it's not me :) )

Not one person I know expected a formal declaration of war or, God forbid, draft. Yes, people expected "something". No, no one expected or supported the kind of intervention that Pearl Harbor triggered.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?

-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein
Post #201,478
by ben_tilly
3/31/05 4:33:33 PM
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New Truly none?
In the first few days as NYC went into a military lockdown, nobody that you knew had such expectations?

That surprises me. I strongly suspect that if you talked to various people you'll find that some did think that - you just don't know that they did. I think that if you dug further into what people say now versus what they were saying as the shock was still settling in, that more of them were ready for extreme measures then than recall it that way now.

Regards,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Bill Tierney on torture - (dmcarls) - (38) - March 29, 2005, 09:34:44 AM EST
         Interesting piece. Thanks! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - March 29, 2005, 09:58:04 AM EST
         "But are we litigating this war or fighting it?" - (Arkadiy) - (36) - March 29, 2005, 10:01:05 AM EST
             The real question - (jake123) - (14) - March 29, 2005, 11:25:57 AM EST
                 There are two questions here - (Arkadiy) - (8) - March 29, 2005, 11:37:13 AM EST
                     And Bin Laden is, of course, why we have taken over Iraq. -NT - (imric) - (1) - March 29, 2005, 11:42:44 AM EST
                         No, we did it for oil. -NT - (Arkadiy) - March 29, 2005, 11:44:31 AM EST
                     Bin Laden can say what he likes. - (pwhysall) - (5) - March 29, 2005, 11:53:45 AM EST
                         You can say what you like. - (Arkadiy) - (4) - March 29, 2005, 11:57:12 AM EST
                             What's that got to do with the price of cheese? -NT - (pwhysall) - (3) - March 29, 2005, 12:01:52 PM EST
                                 Bin Laden has an ambition to be the Emir - (Arkadiy) - (2) - March 29, 2005, 12:05:26 PM EST
                                     The "Third Chechen War" - (jake123) - (1) - March 29, 2005, 12:09:42 PM EST
                                         Grrr... - (Arkadiy) - March 29, 2005, 12:24:04 PM EST
                 I think it's more like piracy. - (Another Scott) - (4) - March 29, 2005, 11:38:32 AM EST
                     So, when do we see a letter of marque? - (jake123) - (3) - March 29, 2005, 12:11:03 PM EST
                         Dunno. That's a very good point. - (Another Scott) - March 29, 2005, 12:55:58 PM EST
                         you have one, they are called contractors - (boxley) - (1) - March 29, 2005, 06:15:25 PM EST
                             Like the British privateers harrying the Spanish Main. - (pwhysall) - March 29, 2005, 06:18:25 PM EST
             Damn right - (ben_tilly) - March 29, 2005, 12:11:58 PM EST
             Have to disagree on that.... - (Simon_Jester) - (19) - March 29, 2005, 06:11:12 PM EST
                 No, there is plenty of support for - (Arkadiy) - (18) - March 31, 2005, 09:19:36 AM EST
                     I disagree - (jake123) - (7) - March 31, 2005, 09:26:48 AM EST
                         "Going after bikn Laden" - (Arkadiy) - (6) - March 31, 2005, 09:38:07 AM EST
                             Sorry, you seem to be forgetting something - (jake123) - March 31, 2005, 09:50:50 AM EST
                             Sorry, you seem to be forgetting something - (jb4) - (4) - March 31, 2005, 11:15:26 AM EST
                                 Yes - (Arkadiy) - (3) - March 31, 2005, 11:19:02 AM EST
                                     Maybe not in your mind - (jb4) - (2) - March 31, 2005, 11:53:37 AM EST
                                         Eh? Nit. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 31, 2005, 01:45:01 PM EST
                                             IIRC... - (jb4) - April 1, 2005, 10:49:22 AM EST
                     I agree - (Silverlock) - (6) - March 31, 2005, 09:37:15 AM EST
                         My point exactly. -NT - (Arkadiy) - (3) - March 31, 2005, 09:38:31 AM EST
                             Nod...point taken... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - March 31, 2005, 11:48:57 AM EST
                                 Wall of tanks across Pakistan? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - March 31, 2005, 12:08:45 PM EST
                                     Not among the moneyed classes - (jake123) - March 31, 2005, 12:14:31 PM EST
                         Define succesful - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - March 31, 2005, 10:08:35 AM EST
                             Not a failure at stated purpose -NT - (Silverlock) - March 31, 2005, 11:03:53 AM EST
                     I firmly believe that you're wrong about that - (ben_tilly) - (2) - March 31, 2005, 02:36:15 PM EST
                         One of us is highly untypical. - (Arkadiy) - (1) - March 31, 2005, 03:26:24 PM EST
                             Truly none? - (ben_tilly) - March 31, 2005, 04:33:33 PM EST

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