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New I firmly believe that you're wrong about that
I am strongly opposed to this administration's actions. Particularly in Iraq.

However after 9/11 I expected there to be a formal declaration of war, a draft, and an all-out effort to demonstrate very clearly to bin Laden and anyone who wanted to shelter him that you Do Not Fuck With Us. Not only did I expect that but I would have supported it! (And where I was in NY, a good number of my co-workers expected a reaction like that from the USA.)

After all that was our reaction the last time that someone managed to successfully attack the USA on US soil. (A minor incident named Pearl Harbour. You may remember it. I'd personally consider that a far smaller deal than taking out the 2 most economically important buildings in the USA, hitting our military headquarters, and attempting to take out the White House.)

Then Bush came out and told us all to continue shopping. He further proceeded to take out Afghanistan in a fairly careless way and then proceeded to try to turn the public feeling into support for taking out Iraq. (Which had nothing to do with 9/11.)

Yes, there was support for something more than treating this as business as usual. And if we had a real leader in the white-house, rather than an heir designated by the usual interests, we might have demonstrated that to the world.

Regards,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New One of us is highly untypical.
(and I think it's not me :) )

Not one person I know expected a formal declaration of war or, God forbid, draft. Yes, people expected "something". No, no one expected or supported the kind of intervention that Pearl Harbor triggered.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?

-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein

New Truly none?
In the first few days as NYC went into a military lockdown, nobody that you knew had such expectations?

That surprises me. I strongly suspect that if you talked to various people you'll find that some did think that - you just don't know that they did. I think that if you dug further into what people say now versus what they were saying as the shock was still settling in, that more of them were ready for extreme measures then than recall it that way now.

Regards,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Bill Tierney on torture - (dmcarls) - (38)
         Interesting piece. Thanks! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         "But are we litigating this war or fighting it?" - (Arkadiy) - (36)
             The real question - (jake123) - (14)
                 There are two questions here - (Arkadiy) - (8)
                     And Bin Laden is, of course, why we have taken over Iraq. -NT - (imric) - (1)
                         No, we did it for oil. -NT - (Arkadiy)
                     Bin Laden can say what he likes. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                         You can say what you like. - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                             What's that got to do with the price of cheese? -NT - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                 Bin Laden has an ambition to be the Emir - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                     The "Third Chechen War" - (jake123) - (1)
                                         Grrr... - (Arkadiy)
                 I think it's more like piracy. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                     So, when do we see a letter of marque? - (jake123) - (3)
                         Dunno. That's a very good point. - (Another Scott)
                         you have one, they are called contractors - (boxley) - (1)
                             Like the British privateers harrying the Spanish Main. - (pwhysall)
             Damn right - (ben_tilly)
             Have to disagree on that.... - (Simon_Jester) - (19)
                 No, there is plenty of support for - (Arkadiy) - (18)
                     I disagree - (jake123) - (7)
                         "Going after bikn Laden" - (Arkadiy) - (6)
                             Sorry, you seem to be forgetting something - (jake123)
                             Sorry, you seem to be forgetting something - (jb4) - (4)
                                 Yes - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                     Maybe not in your mind - (jb4) - (2)
                                         Eh? Nit. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                             IIRC... - (jb4)
                     I agree - (Silverlock) - (6)
                         My point exactly. -NT - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                             Nod...point taken... - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                                 Wall of tanks across Pakistan? - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     Not among the moneyed classes - (jake123)
                         Define succesful - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                             Not a failure at stated purpose -NT - (Silverlock)
                     I firmly believe that you're wrong about that - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         One of us is highly untypical. - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                             Truly none? - (ben_tilly)

You're gonna look like a right plank with that thing held against your face.
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