Post #201,057
3/29/05 10:01:17 AM
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Excerpts.
You need to sign up there... In the decision on Monday, the dissenting judges said the majority had confused the internal codes of right and wrong that juries are expected to possess in such weighty moral matters with the outside influences that are always to be avoided, like newspaper articles or television programs about the case. The jurors consulted Bibles, the minority said, not to look for facts or alternative legal interpretations, but for wisdom.
"The biblical passages the jurors discussed constituted either a part of the jurors' moral and religious precepts or their general knowledge, and thus were relevant to their court-sanctioned moral assessment," the minority wrote.
Legal experts said that Colorado was unusual in its language requiring jurors in capital felony cases to explicitly consult a moral compass. Most states that have restored the death penalty weave in a discussion of moral factors, lawyers said, along with the burden that jurors must decide whether aggravating factors outweigh mitigating factors in voting on execution.
"In Colorado it's a more distinct instruction," said Bob Grant, who was the prosecutor in the Harlan case. Mr. Grant said no decision had been made yet on whether to appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
Legal scholars say the connection between hard legal logic and the softer, deeper world of values is always present in jury rooms, whether acknowledged or not.
"The court says we're asking you to be moral men and women, to make a moral judgment of the right thing to do," said Thane Rosenbaum, a professor of law at Fordham University School of Law in New York City, and author of the book "The Myth of Moral Justice: Why Our Legal System Fails to Do What's Right" (HarperCollins, 2004). "But then we say the juror cheated because he brought in a book that forms the basis of his moral universe," Professor Rosenbaum said. "The thing is, he would have done it anyway, in his head."
Other legal experts say the Colorado decision touches on an issue that courts do not like to talk about: that jurors, under traditions dating to the days of English common law, can consider higher authority all they want, and can convict or acquit using whatever internal thoughts and discussions they consider appropriate. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #201,059
3/29/05 10:22:09 AM
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Well, as long as they did not try to actually
apply the "criminal code" in the Old Testament, it may not be too bad. I am rather surprised that people who care enough about the Bible to consider it on jury duty need to refer to the actual text. One would think that they have internalized the wizdom they care for.
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Post #201,060
3/29/05 10:23:58 AM
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To show/prove to others.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #201,062
3/29/05 10:26:42 AM
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It's a bit too late to have theological discussion
when you are in the jury room. Act on your own frigging convictions and leave others to act on theirs.
On the other hand, as my friend who served a couple times puts it, "the jurors I served with were definitely not my peers, and I will endeavor to keep as far away from them as possible".
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?
-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein
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Post #201,071
3/29/05 11:18:12 AM
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One interesting practice I've read about
is the practice of opening the bible to a random passage and looking for its relevance to the situation at hand. This was very common a couple of centuries ago, and still goes on today.
If they were doing that, then the verdict should be voided. Of course, whether that's the case can't really be known.
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Post #201,075
3/29/05 11:32:58 AM
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Another practice I heard about
is the practice of wild speculation without facts in hand. In a courtroom, that's prone to render the verdict null and void :)
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?
-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein
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Post #201,076
3/29/05 11:34:02 AM
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That's true
which is why I said "IF that's what they did." If they didn't, then tossing the verdict based on that is a crock. IMhO.
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