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Post #198,806 by cwbrenn 3/15/05 2:59:18 PM Reply	True, but... ... I found it's lack of aesthetic quality vaguely pleasing. "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #198,809 by folkert 3/15/05 3:09:43 PM 3/15/05 3:10:47 PM Reply	Nothing here move along. Yeah go away. I can't point and click! OKAY? -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Edited by folkert March 15, 2005, 03:10:47 PM EST Expand All History
Post #198,810 by pwhysall 3/15/05 3:09:50 PM Reply	Mind you You're replacing an Alienware, so everything is up in the aesthetics stakes :-) Get a Powerbook if your budget will allow. You'll be boingy happy. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #198,814 by cwbrenn 3/15/05 3:17:48 PM Reply	I would love to have a Powerbook, but... ... at this point I don't want to trade one monopoly for another! The technology is sweet. I'd even love to just play around with OSX for a while. But by God, the only differences between Apple and Microsoft are as follows: 1. Apple hardware and software is generally better designed and more reliable. 2. Unlike Apple, Microsoft still has vestigial traces of shame where being a software despot is concerned. "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #198,815 by pwhysall 3/15/05 3:21:47 PM Reply	Monopoly? I'll refer you to the dictionary definition of a monopoly :-) On the tech side, Apple lappers are so much better assembled and designed than PC ones it's not funny. And the support is superb. These things matter if the box is what you're depending on for your daily bread. And if you think Microsoft has any shame at all, then you're more charmingly naive than I thought. Of course, Apple does have the advantage that their software is mostly good and occasionally sucky, whereas our dear friends in Redmond are at the far opposite extreme of that continuum. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #198,817 by cwbrenn 3/15/05 3:43:44 PM Reply	Monopoly. Insofar as their specific market is concerned -- selling Apple computers -- they have a monopoly. They control their specific market completely and utterly. Their market happens to be in competition with Microsoft, but they are essentially different markets that do pretty much the same thing. Both are monopolies... And I said vestigial traces of shame, in that they have the courtesy to at least pretend they're not fucking over their customers. Every time Apple releases a new upgrade to OSX it extends a great big digital bird to its entire userbase and laughs, and laughs, and laughs. Oh, and it gets its user base SO FUCKING EXCITED about its new products that they do everything they can to learn more, and then they SUE THEM FOR IT. Breathe deep. That's the smell of "we're entitled to this adulation so we'll do whatever the hell we want to you, and you'll keep crawling back..." "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #198,819 by SpiceWare 3/15/05 3:52:04 PM Reply	Just buy it for the nice hardware then and toss [link\|http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/\|Linux] on it. Can even get it [link\|http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/apple/\|pre installed] if you like. When you purchase an Apple computer from Terra Soft, it will ship with the most current version of Yellow Dog Linux pre-installed. Mac OS X is also pre-installed and may be accessed by holding the OPTION key at boot. Checking their prices, it doesn't look like they charge extra for installing Linux for you. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass\|Artistic Overpass]\n[link\|http://www.spiceware.org/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #198,812 by folkert 3/15/05 3:11:13 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #198811 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=198811\|ICLRPD] -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]

Linux Laptop? - (cwbrenn) - (31) - March 11, 2005, 03:17:23 PM EST

Pavilion zv5370us Notebook - (a6l6e6x) - March 11, 2005, 05:40:44 PM EST

Yendor Mike just got an HP zd8080us... - (folkert) - (3) - March 12, 2005, 05:47:49 PM EST

As Greg said... - (Yendor) - March 12, 2005, 08:18:32 PM EST

But, it's not an Athlon 64. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - March 12, 2005, 08:57:53 PM EST

Truedat... - (Yendor) - March 12, 2005, 09:48:04 PM EST

Re: Linux Laptop? - (pwhysall) - March 13, 2005, 01:11:22 AM EST

Possible contender - (cwbrenn) - (19) - March 14, 2005, 07:47:14 PM EST

No personal experience. - (Another Scott) - (9) - March 14, 2005, 07:55:26 PM EST

Re: No personal experience. - (cwbrenn) - (8) - March 14, 2005, 08:20:53 PM EST

On the configuration page it's different. - (Another Scott) - (7) - March 14, 2005, 09:15:16 PM EST

And contrast that with the recommendation I made before. - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - March 14, 2005, 09:26:04 PM EST

Wow! -NT - (Another Scott) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 09:33:43 PM EST

Don't be decieved... - (cwbrenn) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 10:01:58 PM EST

I'll take it back. - (cwbrenn) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 10:26:41 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - March 15, 2005, 02:23:13 AM EST

That's very strange, because - (cwbrenn) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 09:32:58 PM EST

Add an OS and the price will match mine. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - March 14, 2005, 09:36:41 PM EST

On a non-technical note. - (pwhysall) - (8) - March 15, 2005, 01:35:19 AM EST

True, but... - (cwbrenn) - (7) - March 15, 2005, 02:59:18 PM EST

Nothing here move along. - (folkert) - March 15, 2005, 03:10:47 PM EST

Mind you - (pwhysall) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 03:09:50 PM EST

I would love to have a Powerbook, but... - (cwbrenn) - (3) - March 15, 2005, 03:17:48 PM EST

Monopoly? - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 03:21:47 PM EST

Monopoly. - (cwbrenn) - March 15, 2005, 03:43:44 PM EST

Just buy it for the nice hardware then - (SpiceWare) - March 15, 2005, 03:52:04 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (folkert) - March 15, 2005, 03:11:13 PM EST

Ooooooooh... - (cwbrenn) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 05:33:47 PM EST

You'd be a fool not to... - (folkert) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 09:05:41 PM EST

Re: You'd be a fool not to... - (cwbrenn) - March 15, 2005, 10:53:25 PM EST

Ooooooooh... 60 whole mb -NT - (drewk) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 09:49:50 PM EST

Re: Ooooooooh... 60 whole mb - (cwbrenn) - March 15, 2005, 10:52:45 PM EST

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