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New You know what my point is!
But, just in case you're having a dull (or Duh) moment, I'll spell it out: Studies state just exactly what their sponsors whant them to state (or they'd never get published). Since the "Administration" doesn't want there to be any adverse effects (except, of course, to "the Enemy") of DU, then DU has no adverse evvects -- look! the literature says so!

You can't possibly be that thick. Or do you not remember "duck and roll"? (Sorry, I forgot you weren't here during that episode...I withdraw that last sentence.)

(As far as your latest throwaway goes, I'm very sure that the "radio-medicine literature" (!) has made several double-blind studies where willing subjects ingested and/or strapped DU to their bodies for varing periods of time so that the effects of such ingestion/aprobation could be properly studied, and that the results of such double-blind studies can be easily cross-referenced and reproduced, as would be proper before publicly stating such findings as fact. Puh-fucking-LEEEEZE, awready, Ark!)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Skepticism is good and necessary.
Dogmatic skepticism isn't.

Is the [link|http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/030907178X?OpenDocument|National Academies' Institute of Medicine] a sponsor's mouthpiece too? From September 7, 2000:

Depleted Uranium

During the Gulf War, some tanks and munitions containing depleted uranium caught fire or exploded. As a result, a number of military personnel inhaled or ingested depleted uranium. Flying fragments of the material injured others. In its depleted form, uranium is 40 percent less radioactive than in its natural state. The health effects of uranium have been widely investigated, mostly in occupational settings, but the committee found weaknesses in many of these studies. Based on this evidence, it said that no conclusion can be drawn about the effects of depleted uranium and the development of lymphatic or bone cancer; nonmalignant respiratory disease; diseases of the nervous system, gastrointestinal tract, and liver; and other health outcomes. Still, the committee did conclude that there is limited evidence of no association between exposure to uranium and kidney disease, nor between exposure to low levels of uranium and lung cancer. At high levels of exposure, however, the evidence about lung cancer was unclear. The committee recommended follow-up research on veterans with embedded fragments of depleted uranium, and other long-term studies.


How about the [link|http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/|World Health Organization]?

Exposure to uranium and depleted uranium

* Under most circumstances, use of DU will make a negligible contribution to the overall natural background levels of uranium in the environment. Probably the greatest potential for DU exposure will follow conflict where DU munitions are used.
* A recent United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report giving field measurements taken around selected impact sites in Kosovo (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) indicates that contamination by DU in the environment was localized to a few tens of metres around impact sites. Contamination by DU dusts of local vegetation and water supplies was found to be extremely low. Thus, the probability of significant exposure to local populations was considered to be very low.
* A UN expert team reported in November 2002 that they found traces of DU in three locations among 14 sites investigated in Bosnia following NATO airstrikes in 1995. A full report is expected to be published by UNEP in March 2003.
* Levels of DU may exceed background levels of uranium close to DU contaminating events. Over the days and years following such an event, the contamination normally becomes dispersed into the wider natural environment by wind and rain. People living or working in affected areas may inhale contaminated dusts or consume contaminated food and drinking water.
* People near an aircraft crash may be exposed to DU dusts if counterweights are exposed to prolonged intense heat. Significant exposure would be rare, as large masses of DU counterweights are unlikely to ignite and would oxidize only slowly. Exposures of clean-up and emergency workers to DU following aircraft accidents are possible, but normal occupational protection measures would prevent any significant exposure.

[...]

Potential health effects of exposure to depleted uranium

* In the kidneys, the proximal tubules (the main filtering component of the kidney) are considered to be the main site of potential damage from chemical toxicity of uranium. There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure.
* In a number of studies on uranium miners, an increased risk of lung cancer was demonstrated, but this has been attributed to exposure from radon decay products. Lung tissue damage is possible leading to a risk of lung cancer that increases with increasing radiation dose. However, because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer.
* Erythema (superficial inflammation of the skin) or other effects on the skin are unlikely to occur even if DU is held against the skin for long periods (weeks).
* No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver.
* No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans.
* Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported.


More from the WHO on DU is [link|http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/env/du/en/|here].

Radiation and toxic materials are all around us. Remember early problems with errors in [link|http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/pdf/bell_labs_journals/paper02.pdf|4k DRAMs]? It was due to alpha particles from contaminants in the plastic packaging material.

Arguing that experts are always tainted by those who fund their research means that you can't ever trust any expert, other than those who are independently wealthy. Who was it that was saying that Gates' comments about high schools was [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=197237|disingenuous]? He's not being paid by the NEA or the Redmond Board of Education, so he must be an honest broker, right? :-/

I think I've beaten this DU horse enough for now. ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New I defer judgement until ...
... those "long erm studies" are complete.

BTW, who is functing those studies, anyway? ("No one" i this context is an acceptable answer....)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Errr. That was an UN study
Are they in cahoots with our "adminstration" too? I guess the hatred between Bush and UN is just one big conspiracy.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?

-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein

     Here's some terrorism for you - (andread) - (52)
         Sounds like we should.... - (ChrisR)
         Bull - (Arkadiy) - (11)
             When thousands of tons are used and burned it gets in you -NT - (andread) - (1)
                 If you want to worry yourself into a frienzy, I can't stop - (Arkadiy)
             Exercise critical thinking... - (pwhysall) - (7)
                 Some critical thinking would be nice all the way around. - (ChrisR) - (6)
                     Thank you. - (Arkadiy) - (5)
                         Non-issue? - (Silverlock) - (4)
                             Ok, not a "radiocative weapon"/genocide - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                 That's a non-argument, Ark. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                     True - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                         Radon concentrations are bad too. - (imric)
             how did one get out of the heavy work details in the gulag? - (boxley)
         How can you take that seriously? - (Another Scott) - (38)
             Actually, while some of the language is hyperbolic - (jake123) - (37)
                 Several of the critics have problems. - (Another Scott)
                 Hard to know how that shakes out - (ChrisR) - (34)
                     the shake out - (andread) - (33)
                         By "intervention in Yugoslavia", do you mean Kosovo? - (Arkadiy) - (32)
                             The UN did a study of DU in Kosovo - (andread) - (31)
                                 Re: The UN did a study of DU in Kosovo - (Arkadiy) - (30)
                                     Toothsome Morsel: - (jb4) - (29)
                                         And also - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                             You know what my point is! - (jb4) - (3)
                                                 Skepticism is good and necessary. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                     I defer judgement until ... - (jb4)
                                                 Errr. That was an UN study - (Arkadiy)
                                         Flip that around. - (Another Scott) - (23)
                                             Agreed. - (jb4) - (22)
                                                 Okay. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                     OT: Mind your attributions. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                         Ack! Thanks. Fixed. Now to fix the other one... -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                 Let's cut to the chase - (Silverlock) - (18)
                                                     Granite is a radiocative substance used in a weapon - (Arkadiy) - (14)
                                                         Cute - (Silverlock) - (13)
                                                             DU is used for the same reason as granite - (Arkadiy) - (12)
                                                                 Thats a good one - (Silverlock) - (3)
                                                                     It is used for ballast and counterweights - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                         Hint: - (jb4) - (1)
                                                                             Perfectly. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                 Spell p-l-u-t-o-n-i-u-m - (andread) - (7)
                                                                     "potentially contaminated" - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                                         Look, the real problem with DU munitions - (jake123) - (1)
                                                                             Some earlier links addressed that. - (Another Scott)
                                                                         Links to go - (andread) - (3)
                                                                             What concentration? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                 It Can't be Good (or even average) -NT - (andread) - (1)
                                                                                     Correct. It's below average. -NT - (Arkadiy)
                                                     Careful what you wish for. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                         Nice sleuthing, A.S. - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                             MTBE was used for good reasons. - (Another Scott)
                 Timeframe depends on who our next president is... -NT - (jb4)

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