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Post #197,044
by ChrisR
3/3/05 1:51:02 PM
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New Some critical thinking would be nice all the way around.
Neither linked site is very good at doing that. First one is sensationalism (the burning sperm from hell). Second one just glosses over the issues.

Both qualify as dismal propaganda.
Post #197,046
by Arkadiy
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3/3/05 2:01:53 PM
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New Thank you.
They effectively negate each other. What we have left is a non-issue. Mind you, the .mil site is more careful than the anti-mil.
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Post #197,061
by Silverlock
3/3/05 4:31:00 PM
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New Non-issue?
Only if those two sources/viewpoints are the only ones extant. The World Health Organization was concerned enough to [link|http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/|publish] on the dangers.

As the report goes to neither extreme but merely expresses the opinion that DU is a danger in concentrated doses, I think it may safely be considered a "issue".



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Post #197,115
by Arkadiy
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3/3/05 10:59:29 PM
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New Ok, not a "radiocative weapon"/genocide
kind of issue. When you see a bombed-out tank, stay away from it. That's the extent of the issue. And may be someone should do some lobbying in our govenment to ensure that the messes are cleaned upon request, the way we clean toxic spills here. At Uncle Sam's expense, obviously.

Land mines killed and maimed thousand more people than DU. I don't see andread screeching about them.
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Post #197,139
by pwhysall
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3/4/05 1:53:41 AM
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New That's a non-argument, Ark.
Just because Andread isn't complaining about land mines (which, as you rightly observe, are an atrocity) doesn't make his complaints about DU automatically invalid.

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Post #197,166
by Arkadiy
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3/4/05 7:57:43 AM
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New True
It was an afterthought. Other things make his complaints invalid.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?

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Post #197,170
by imric
3/4/05 8:37:21 AM
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New Radon concentrations are bad too.
That doesn't mean that not mitigating when you sell your house is homocidal. (I worked as a mitigator for a while) Will we mitigate the radiological and chemical problems we are causing in Iraq? Unlikely. (and there ARE problems, and it IS bad for you).

Is it genocide? Is using DU like sowing U235 in the fields? Of course not. I wouldn't eat any food grown in a field that was the site of a tank battle using DU rounds, though. I would prefer not to live in a neighborhood that's been contaminated, either. But silly me. I wouldn't live next to a city dump or a Union Carbide plant, either.
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     Here's some terrorism for you - (andread) - (52) - March 3, 2005, 11:02:02 AM EST
         Sounds like we should.... - (ChrisR) - March 3, 2005, 11:40:36 AM EST
         Bull - (Arkadiy) - (11) - March 3, 2005, 11:42:20 AM EST
             When thousands of tons are used and burned it gets in you -NT - (andread) - (1) - March 3, 2005, 12:10:39 PM EST
                 If you want to worry yourself into a frienzy, I can't stop - (Arkadiy) - March 3, 2005, 02:05:57 PM EST
             Exercise critical thinking... - (pwhysall) - (7) - March 3, 2005, 01:18:16 PM EST
                 Some critical thinking would be nice all the way around. - (ChrisR) - (6) - March 3, 2005, 01:51:02 PM EST
                     Thank you. - (Arkadiy) - (5) - March 3, 2005, 02:01:53 PM EST
                         Non-issue? - (Silverlock) - (4) - March 3, 2005, 04:31:00 PM EST
                             Ok, not a "radiocative weapon"/genocide - (Arkadiy) - (3) - March 3, 2005, 10:59:29 PM EST
                                 That's a non-argument, Ark. - (pwhysall) - (2) - March 4, 2005, 01:53:41 AM EST
                                     True - (Arkadiy) - (1) - March 4, 2005, 07:57:43 AM EST
                                         Radon concentrations are bad too. - (imric) - March 4, 2005, 08:37:21 AM EST
             how did one get out of the heavy work details in the gulag? - (boxley) - March 8, 2005, 08:12:21 PM EST
         How can you take that seriously? - (Another Scott) - (38) - March 3, 2005, 11:11:46 PM EST
             Actually, while some of the language is hyperbolic - (jake123) - (37) - March 3, 2005, 11:52:41 PM EST
                 Several of the critics have problems. - (Another Scott) - March 4, 2005, 12:26:27 AM EST
                 Hard to know how that shakes out - (ChrisR) - (34) - March 4, 2005, 12:34:46 AM EST
                     the shake out - (andread) - (33) - March 4, 2005, 12:02:41 PM EST
                         By "intervention in Yugoslavia", do you mean Kosovo? - (Arkadiy) - (32) - March 4, 2005, 02:42:19 PM EST
                             The UN did a study of DU in Kosovo - (andread) - (31) - March 4, 2005, 02:58:43 PM EST
                                 Re: The UN did a study of DU in Kosovo - (Arkadiy) - (30) - March 4, 2005, 03:12:31 PM EST
                                     Toothsome Morsel: - (jb4) - (29) - March 4, 2005, 06:22:46 PM EST
                                         And also - (Arkadiy) - (4) - March 4, 2005, 06:31:08 PM EST
                                             You know what my point is! - (jb4) - (3) - March 4, 2005, 06:40:40 PM EST
                                                 Skepticism is good and necessary. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 4, 2005, 07:55:16 PM EST
                                                     I defer judgement until ... - (jb4) - March 7, 2005, 01:32:16 PM EST
                                                 Errr. That was an UN study - (Arkadiy) - March 4, 2005, 09:23:08 PM EST
                                         Flip that around. - (Another Scott) - (23) - March 4, 2005, 06:31:56 PM EST
                                             Agreed. - (jb4) - (22) - March 4, 2005, 07:14:44 PM EST
                                                 Okay. - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 4, 2005, 11:48:52 PM EST
                                                     OT: Mind your attributions. - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 4, 2005, 11:22:24 PM EST
                                                         Ack! Thanks. Fixed. Now to fix the other one... -NT - (Another Scott) - March 4, 2005, 11:49:20 PM EST
                                                 Let's cut to the chase - (Silverlock) - (18) - March 4, 2005, 09:13:21 PM EST
                                                     Granite is a radiocative substance used in a weapon - (Arkadiy) - (14) - March 4, 2005, 09:23:42 PM EST
                                                         Cute - (Silverlock) - (13) - March 4, 2005, 09:30:04 PM EST
                                                             DU is used for the same reason as granite - (Arkadiy) - (12) - March 4, 2005, 09:49:02 PM EST
                                                                 Thats a good one - (Silverlock) - (3) - March 4, 2005, 10:06:16 PM EST
                                                                     It is used for ballast and counterweights - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 4, 2005, 11:58:58 PM EST
                                                                         Hint: - (jb4) - (1) - March 7, 2005, 01:38:50 PM EST
                                                                             Perfectly. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - March 7, 2005, 02:52:09 PM EST
                                                                 Spell p-l-u-t-o-n-i-u-m - (andread) - (7) - March 8, 2005, 05:32:27 PM EST
                                                                     "potentially contaminated" - (Another Scott) - (6) - March 8, 2005, 06:09:57 PM EST
                                                                         Look, the real problem with DU munitions - (jake123) - (1) - March 8, 2005, 09:10:08 PM EST
                                                                             Some earlier links addressed that. - (Another Scott) - March 8, 2005, 09:56:07 PM EST
                                                                         Links to go - (andread) - (3) - March 9, 2005, 02:37:54 PM EST
                                                                             What concentration? - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 9, 2005, 03:19:35 PM EST
                                                                                 It Can't be Good (or even average) -NT - (andread) - (1) - March 9, 2005, 05:21:56 PM EST
                                                                                     Correct. It's below average. -NT - (Arkadiy) - March 9, 2005, 05:24:14 PM EST
                                                     Careful what you wish for. - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 4, 2005, 10:16:54 PM EST
                                                         Nice sleuthing, A.S. - (Ashton) - (1) - March 5, 2005, 04:57:10 AM EST
                                                             MTBE was used for good reasons. - (Another Scott) - March 5, 2005, 08:50:22 AM EST
                 Timeframe depends on who our next president is... -NT - (jb4) - March 4, 2005, 01:10:07 PM EST

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