Post #195,332
2/18/05 1:55:07 AM
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The end of the record labels
[link|http://earthlink.com.com/Web-only+album+wins+Grammy/2100-1027_3-5574470.html|http://earthlink.com...27_3-5574470.html]
Jazz composer Maria Schneider took home a Grammy on Sunday for her album "Concert in the Garden," without selling a single copy in a record store.
Schneider, 44, financed her Grammy-winning album through an Internet-based music delivery service called [link|http://www.artistshare.net/|ArtistShare] that opens the financing of production to dedicated fans.
Schneider said she believed she might be the first artist ever to win a Grammy for an album distributed solely on the Web. But she said that other musicians had already approached her about trying similar experiments of their own.
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"This record cost $87,000 to make. I already made my money back," she said. "I'm not splitting the profits with the distributor, the record store and the record company. It's working so well for me,"
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Hmmm, looks like its time to head into the studio and put some of that stuff I've been sitting on out there.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,338
2/18/05 2:19:16 AM
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Yes, this is what I was saying years ago.
"Forget the RIAA and Disney and all the rest of the "content owners". They paid for the stuff they've got so it's their's and they have a right to protect it and charge as much as they want to for it - so quit your griping. The reason you want it so bad is they've spent their money developing and promoting it."
"If you don't like their deal than you need to develope and promote new artists and the way to do that is a distribution service that returns more to the artists than the labels do. When they're successful, some of the old line artists you want so much will come along."
My arguements were firmly ridiculed ("Entertainment Content Belongs To The People (no matter who paid for it)!!!!!!") but it appears what I said is now being done and is becoming successful. This is good.
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Post #195,365
2/18/05 10:45:19 AM
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That's exactly what I've been saying all along
"You only own that which you can destroy". An artist nowadays must collect the payment in advance, from people who really want to hear what he/she does, and then release into public domain. The second the bits escape your PC, you can't destroy them any more.
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Post #195,367
2/18/05 10:55:09 AM
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The new real model for musicians
Recordings are free, and are used to promote the shows.
If you're a band, and you're not putting free high quality mp3s up on the peer networks with attached info indicating how to contact for bookings, you're a band of boneheads.
It's been a long time since most bands made any money from recording; they make money by putting butts in chairs at the show. Recordings are a tool to help do that, and the internet is the best way to distribute them to potential customers of the show.
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Post #195,384
2/18/05 12:18:40 PM
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Well, yes, we've all been expecting this for years
but its been longer in coming than I would have guessed. Glad to see its finally arrived.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,494
2/19/05 4:54:00 AM
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Thread makes sense re pop.. but as to Classical
Given the expense of a symphony orchestra, soloists, possibly singers / chorus etc: the scheme doesn't work. Perhaps some aspect could, though; something new has to be found - for the survival of orchestras in Murica.
(As with Science.. as we become middle-men, importers of anything crafted.. all from Elsewhere.)
Classical is hardly the province of the elite, though regular season tickets are more costly than rock.. for those close-enough to attend. 'Records' have, all-along been the means for hearing virtuoso performances by the masses. (Still alive for the purists, losing ground as the convenience of CDs wins.)
Should the medium/genre be wiped out via more digital- 'Economy' (and reduced in dynamic range and fidelity to that of mp3) well, such a thing is clearly possible in Murica.. quite less likely I'd guess, in Europe and elsewhere.
We are, after all the clucking is clucked: Masters of the Disposable Everything (including lately, of course - our 'Honor')
Scary thought though -- that it's even possible to imagine now, that techno + 90-day fads might just become the only sound sources available, except by import (too).
Musical Armageddon too? Why not..
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Post #195,533
2/19/05 1:46:39 PM
2/19/05 1:52:11 PM
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dupe
&^%$#@ "broadband" provider
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,534
2/19/05 1:49:21 PM
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But it is the old classical model
of patronage and subscription. All the great composers struggled with this at some time or other. Its the same model - only now done through a website.
I think it can work if the patrons are willing to support it.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,580
2/19/05 9:13:36 PM
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Stamford Symphonic Orchestra
is supported 50% by charity. I think that's the only way, and it was ever so. People who want to be seen as cultured pay money for culture, whether they are Curfursts or local real estate moguls.
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Post #195,635
2/20/05 3:43:39 PM
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For the rest of you: Ger. "Kurf\ufffdrst" = Eng. "Prince-Elector"
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Post #195,621
2/20/05 2:25:03 PM
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Why should music be different?
Have you ever seen a castle? Pretty impressive, isn't it? Expensive as hell, too. And only possible in a society where at least a few people have ridiculously more than their "fair share" of resources.
The robber barons built castles around the turn of the century. I once toured Hearst Castle in San Simeon. The indoor pool with alabaster lights, gold leaf, marble tile ... simply amazing.
But no one can afford to own it. When Hearst split his estate among his children, none of them could afford the maintenance on it. Now that it's a museum, the state barely makes enough on tour fees to keep it from deteriorating worse than it already has.
So what's this have to do with music?
The robber barons kept a lot of craftsmen busy for a lot of years working on their places. Then the U.S. passed anti-monopoly laws. The market for alabaster carvers went way down.
Sure, I'd like to see some nice sculpture, but if there aren't wealthy patrons, no one can afford to learn the trade. And sure, I like orchestral music. I hope wealthy patrons keep liking it, too. Because I sure as hell can't afford to pay a couple of hundred people to dedicate their lives to it.
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Post #195,880
2/22/05 2:14:12 AM
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In a Capitalist kultur
EVERYTHING comes down to the price tag. Of things. And Everything IS a Thing. Spreadsheetable.
As to what music is ""worth"" -
Which is worth preserving -?-
and at What "cost",
within The Profit Motive model:
Muricans. Will. Find. Out.
cha ch
Palaces? Music?? Ummm
OK why not Wienerschitzel
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