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Post #195,046
by jake123
2/16/05 6:03:20 PM
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New Hey, publication bans happen all the time in the US too
The point being that they're temporary, not permanent. It's very unusual for them to be made permanent, with the exception of sexual abuse cases involving minors (or indeed any case involving minors). However, during a trial sometimes things are banned from publication until after a jury reaches a verdict to avoid polluting a jury.

Afterwards, the entire transcript will be published, and anybody who cares to can go down to the courthouse and read it. The cases you heard about were almost universally because the newspapers in question didn't want to have to wait.
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Post #195,048
by ben_tilly
2/16/05 6:44:35 PM
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New They do? Examples, please.
As I understand it, a judge can decide whether or not to permit reporters in the court, and can try to get reporters to agree to specific conditions. However judges can't tell reporters that they cannot tell people about a case, and cannot keep reporters who happen to hear details from reporting them.

By contrast in Canada judges may say that they don't want something reported, and nobody is allowed to report it. Period.

Furthermore my impression of how common permanent publication bans are is different from yours. Specifically I understand that it is rare for an entire case to not be reportable (excepting cases involving minors - and there are lots of those), but fairly frequently a small portion of a case is permanently banned (eg testimony from family members about how much grief they went through, which doesn't affect whether the verdict is guilty, but may affect sentencing).

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Send a white feather to Jonah Goldberg - (tuberculosis) - (53) - Feb. 14, 2005, 05:59:39 PM EST
         He can forward it onto Marlowe when he's done with it. -NT - (pwhysall) - (52) - Feb. 14, 2005, 06:03:10 PM EST
             Perhaps we should start responding to all his posts - (tuberculosis) - (51) - Feb. 14, 2005, 06:11:03 PM EST
                 I like it. - (imric) - (50) - Feb. 14, 2005, 08:43:47 PM EST
                     Actually, if he keeps doing the drive-bys... - (inthane-chan) - (49) - Feb. 15, 2005, 12:05:56 PM EST
                         ObAOL. - (pwhysall) - Feb. 15, 2005, 12:23:40 PM EST
                         Works for me -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 15, 2005, 02:38:36 PM EST
                         Thirded -NT - (Silverlock) - Feb. 15, 2005, 03:48:20 PM EST
                         Are you all crazy? - (Arkadiy) - (32) - Feb. 15, 2005, 04:15:59 PM EST
                             He's interested in one thing: pagerank. - (pwhysall) - (23) - Feb. 15, 2005, 04:27:24 PM EST
                                 not done in every post - (SpiceWare) - (22) - Feb. 15, 2005, 04:59:53 PM EST
                                     Ah, but is the point of your post... - (inthane-chan) - (21) - Feb. 15, 2005, 05:31:57 PM EST
                                         It's hard to read motives. - (Another Scott) - (20) - Feb. 15, 2005, 05:53:40 PM EST
                                             What A.S. said - (rcareaga) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2005, 06:23:13 PM EST
                                                 I concur with Rcareaga - (Nightowl) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:15:01 PM EST
                                                     It's not about the *going*... - (pwhysall) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:32:30 PM EST
                                             I am not in favor of discipline as proposed. - (Andrew Grygus) - (16) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:41:27 PM EST
                                                 Actually... - (pwhysall) - (15) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:58:54 PM EST
                                                     Ah, right - (ben_tilly) - (14) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:51:45 PM EST
                                                         Don't be smarmy. - (pwhysall) - (13) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:54:08 PM EST
                                                             I said "even in theory" - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Feb. 16, 2005, 03:05:03 PM EST
                                                                 No it's not - (jake123) - (9) - Feb. 16, 2005, 03:12:01 PM EST
                                                                     I left in the 90's - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2005, 05:57:00 PM EST
                                                                         Hey, publication bans happen all the time in the US too - (jake123) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2005, 06:03:20 PM EST
                                                                             They do? Examples, please. - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 16, 2005, 06:44:35 PM EST
                                                                     Another amusing point about the charter - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 16, 2005, 06:59:50 PM EST
                                                                         God is undefined in the charter -NT - (jake123) - (4) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:20:13 PM EST
                                                                             ...unless declared integer :-) -NT - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:39:57 AM EST
                                                                                 I always figured she was a float(er). -NT - (jake123) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2005, 08:28:03 AM EST
                                                                                     No, gotta be something with arbitrary precision... -NT - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 18, 2005, 09:33:41 AM EST
                                                                                         Floaters are arbitrary - (jake123) - Feb. 18, 2005, 09:34:59 AM EST
                                                             Oh please - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2005, 04:32:37 PM EST
                                                                 No they're not. - (jake123) - Feb. 16, 2005, 05:13:15 PM EST
                             What Peter said. - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 15, 2005, 04:34:39 PM EST
                             You think his posts are really more than flamebait? -NT - (Silverlock) - (4) - Feb. 15, 2005, 04:59:09 PM EST
                                 It may be a flamebait - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Feb. 16, 2005, 11:53:09 AM EST
                                     Key point: - (pwhysall) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2005, 11:57:00 AM EST
                                         So he prefers to keep his thoughts in his own place - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2005, 12:01:03 PM EST
                                             I agree there too - (Nightowl) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:17:06 PM EST
                             Also. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2005, 06:11:58 PM EST
                                 Hrmm - (jb4) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:44:12 PM EST
                         If he repeats the link only bit - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2005, 04:24:16 PM EST
                         completely disagree!! - (daemon) - Feb. 15, 2005, 06:06:16 PM EST
                         Dude, the debate's over. All wrapped up November 2. - (marlowe) - (10) - Feb. 20, 2005, 01:08:56 PM EST
                             Spoken like a true authoritarian. -NT - (jake123) - (9) - Feb. 28, 2005, 11:44:37 PM EST
                                 If democracy is authoritarianism, then yes. - (marlowe) - (8) - March 6, 2005, 02:32:11 PM EST
                                     The way you practice it, it is.... -NT - (jb4) - (2) - March 7, 2005, 01:27:21 PM EST
                                         Practise makes perfect. - (marlowe) - (1) - March 13, 2005, 02:51:08 PM EST
                                             And it really WOULD be easier if it were a dictatorship - (jb4) - March 14, 2005, 06:01:36 PM EST
                                     I do not think that word means what you think it means -NT - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:27:41 AM EDT
                                         ..and a passel of other words. -NT - (Ashton) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 02:03:34 AM EST
                                             He only misinterprets 800,000 (or so) English words. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 11:26:01 AM EST
                                                 Wow! you do him a lot of credit - (hnick) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 11:36:56 AM EST
                                                     That's what used to be called the Oxford Abridged, IIRC - (jake123) - March 14, 2005, 02:07:09 PM EST

Now listen closely, for here the plot does twist.
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