Re: Wow, I guess central american death squads

I'm not responding to any posts where you mention Churchill.

Look, for many years the US in support of the multi-nationals that call it home has supported atrocities in many locations around the world; against trade unions, against economic nationalists who wanted to nationalise or simply encourage local industry, and so on. That this would result in a lot of people hating the US should not come as a great surprise, as they realise that the people who are randomly killing their union leaders have been trained and paid by the US. That this would eventually blow back on them should not be a great surprise either. What exactly is wrong with saying that? It's not like their hasn't been a boatload of evidence for this: United Fruit, Guatemalan death squads, Nicraguan Contras, etc (and I'm only using Central American examples because I'm more familiar with them; it's not like they don't exist in other developing nations). Saddam Hussein in the eighties is a sterling example of this particular practice; the fact that Hussein basically murdered his way to the top and laid waste to large swaths of ethnic minorities didn't bother the US one bit until he started threatening their interests.

He's just pointing out that expecting people to take that sort of thing with no complaint is extremely unrealistic. For that, he's being pilloried, because a lot of Americans want to feel that their country is completely without responsibility in the motivations of the WTC attackers, so that they can feel justified in any action taken against the ones they feel are responsible. This has some very negative effects for your country. One of the most notable is that the US is currently spending a lot of lives and money attempting to punish a bunch of people that had nothing to do with it, while ignoring a lot of the real perpetrators.

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Post #193,378 by andread 2/7/05 10:18:15 AM Reply	Re: Wow, I guess central american death squads That does not follow logically from my remarks about Churchill It does no good to say American foreign policy sucks and then to allow any rant against it to be considered reasonable whether it is absurd or not by the same token just because I reject the 'little Eichmanns' usage that does not make me a right-winger or a supporter of US foreign policy A (for Andy not Adolf Eichmann) Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #193,423 by jake123 2/7/05 1:05:03 PM Reply	What remarks about Churchill? I'm not responding to any posts where you mention Churchill. Look, for many years the US in support of the multi-nationals that call it home has supported atrocities in many locations around the world; against trade unions, against economic nationalists who wanted to nationalise or simply encourage local industry, and so on. That this would result in a lot of people hating the US should not come as a great surprise, as they realise that the people who are randomly killing their union leaders have been trained and paid by the US. That this would eventually blow back on them should not be a great surprise either. What exactly is wrong with saying that? It's not like their hasn't been a boatload of evidence for this: United Fruit, Guatemalan death squads, Nicraguan Contras, etc (and I'm only using Central American examples because I'm more familiar with them; it's not like they don't exist in other developing nations). Saddam Hussein in the eighties is a sterling example of this particular practice; the fact that Hussein basically murdered his way to the top and laid waste to large swaths of ethnic minorities didn't bother the US one bit until he started threatening their interests. He's just pointing out that expecting people to take that sort of thing with no complaint is extremely unrealistic. For that, he's being pilloried, because a lot of Americans want to feel that their country is completely without responsibility in the motivations of the WTC attackers, so that they can feel justified in any action taken against the ones they feel are responsible. This has some very negative effects for your country. One of the most notable is that the US is currently spending a lot of lives and money attempting to punish a bunch of people that had nothing to do with it, while ignoring a lot of the real perpetrators. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #193,464 by andread 2/7/05 4:04:27 PM Reply	Re: What remarks about Churchill? I don't have a problem with your statements my problem is being saddled with the likes of Churchill A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]

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