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New New Navy ship ready for testing
[link|http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002170435_fastboat04m.html|Seattle Times]
The future of the Navy is sitting in a Whidbey Island shipyard, and Lt. Cmdr. Brandon Bryan can't wait to take her for a spin.

"It's the Navy's hottest sports car," said the Seattle native, gazing at the burnished aluminum catamaran that will be his next command.

Dubbed "Sea Fighter," the 262-foot ship will be the fastest vessel in the fleet, except for a few small patrol boats. The conservative estimate is that its 66,000-horsepower engines will push it to 50 knots, or about 57 mph, but Bryan says top speed will probably be closer to 60 knots, or nearly 70 mph.

The current one is just a testing unit, it mounts no weapons. But I expect the Navy to build quite a few of these in the future, they are faster, more agile, stealthier and more useful then the older deep keel boats.

[link|http://www.onr.navy.mil/media/gallery_category.asp?Cat=naval|Navy gallery]
More pictures here.

Jay
New I wonder what ...
OS is being used to navigate it... and to run it...

I don't want to see another Warship being towed into port for a Operational Computer System Remove, Reload, Restore, Reboot all via the three-finger-salute...
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New ..my first thought, too. Let's find out!
New schweet!
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New I wonder how many water skiers it'll pull
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New how many detainees do we have?
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New So that's what was really going on at Abu Ghraib?
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New :-)
New Everyone going to hell for laughing, raise your hand ___ .0/
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New Hand half-raised. (Just a chuckle!)
New Does it count if I only laughed at your joke?
New Brown water Navy
The current one is just a testing unit, it mounts no weapons. But I expect the Navy to build quite a few of these in the future, they are faster, more agile, stealthier and more useful then the older deep keel boats.


The vessel is a testbed for the "littorial combat" initiative. These are not intended to be replacements for conventional warships, but a 'brown water' ship capable of self deployment.

They are intended to be deployed with a modular payload package, swapped out to suit the mission [too small to be a general purpose warship]. The enhanced speed / manuver capability is to balance out likely adverseries capabilities [land based artilley and armed surface craft from speed boats to 1k ton, missile armed corvettes]
Dave
[former 'Black Shoe' sailor]
New Wotz a "black shoe" sailor?
An ossifer?
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New Either that, or possibly...
...an [link|http://www.comicartville.com/insearchbill.htm|Ancient Sub-Mariner]? (Just a WAG.)


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New Re: Wotz a "black shoe" sailor?

In 1917, this unofficial uniform became official and as with the Marine custom, brown shoes were worn. Thus aviators became \ufffdBrown Shoes' and everybody else in the Navy a lowly \ufffdBlack Shoe.' It quickly was recognized the khaki uniform was best for summer, and inappropriate for winter wear. Thus the \ufffdAviation Greens' came into existence. The color was defined as Marine Corps Forest Green and the design the same as the Navy blue uniform.


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New Navy Black Shoes
"Black Shoe" is navy slang for sailors [enlisted, chiefs and officers] who sail, maintain and fight surface vessels. [what submariners call 'Target sailors' ;-) ]

Brown Shoe sailors are aviators.

Marines provide 'adult supervision' on carriers and are the primary weapon carried by 'gator freighters'.

New How can the Marines provide adult supervision
When they're still looking for a few good men?
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New Not the plan, but the probable result
These are not intended to be replacements for conventional warships, but a 'brown water' ship capable of self deployment.

That may not be the plan right now. But I expect that to be the long term result. In the age of cruise missle warfare, the way to survive is to be fast and stealthy.

The Navy already has plans under consideration for small aircraft carriers built on much larger versions of this type of catamaran hull. Each carrier would only handle 6 to 12 planes or helicopters, with a large force having multiple carriers.

Jay
New Big Deck / Small Deck tradeoffs
That may not be the plan right now. But I expect that to be the long term result. In the age of cruise missle warfare, the way to survive is to be fast and stealthy


There are at least three development paths - some designs will combine parts of all three [Warship design is always a compromise]

1) Armor and other passive defenses. This includes damage control, internal divisions and redundancy. This is the ability to avoid cheap 'mission' kills - and even absorb major damage and continue operations. We no longer build armored ships [BB & CA] but we still have a few in mothballs.

2) Stealth - or as Monty Python once instructed 'how not to be seen'. SSN / SSBN designs are pure stealth platforms.

3) Active defenses - Radar, missiles, guns and emerging directed energy technologies. The intent here is to do unto others _first_.

The Navy already has plans under consideration for small aircraft carriers built on much larger versions of this type of catamaran hull. Each carrier would only handle 6 to 12 planes or helicopters, with a large force having multiple carriers.


My background is in the 'surface' Navy [FFG / DD / DDG] not the bird farms [CV / CVN / LHA]

This has been an argument since before WWII.

It resurfaces periodically in the professional literature. In a way, the Navy does have many small aircraft carriers - each ship with a Mk41 launcher system can launch dozens of aircraft [harpoon, tomahawk]. For that matter, the FFG7 class was called an 'air capable frigate' during the design phase - large flight deck, two hangers.

The size of a CV / CVN design is constrained by the performance of the aircraft it carries. With today's engine technology [pushing thermodynamic limits] a catapult launched, conventional landing aircraft has a greater payload fraction [range, endurance, speed] than V/STOL designs [A/V8B Harrier] I'll withhold judgment of the F35 until they're finished designing the naval variant.
New 'One aircraft carrier + one submarine = one submarine.'
"I have examined the mathematics presented in [article] in detail and have concluded they are correct. Two fixed-wing anti-submarine aircraft operating together are six times as effective as one working alone. Three fixed-wing anit-submarine aircraft working together are twice as effective as two working together. In my mind, however, 12 times 0 is still a very small number".

From Proceedings of the U.S. Naval Institute, a couple of decades ago. If anything has changed since, I think it's in favor of the submarines.
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     New Navy ship ready for testing - (JayMehaffey) - (19)
         I wonder what ... - (folkert) - (1)
             ..my first thought, too. Let's find out! -NT - (Ashton)
         schweet! -NT - (daemon)
         I wonder how many water skiers it'll pull -NT - (drewk) - (6)
             how many detainees do we have? -NT - (daemon) - (5)
                 So that's what was really going on at Abu Ghraib? - (altmann) - (4)
                     :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         Everyone going to hell for laughing, raise your hand ___ .0/ -NT - (drewk) - (2)
                             Hand half-raised. (Just a chuckle!) -NT - (CRConrad)
                             Does it count if I only laughed at your joke? -NT - (inthane-chan)
         Brown water Navy - (dlevitt) - (8)
             Wotz a "black shoe" sailor? - (jbrabeck) - (4)
                 Either that, or possibly... - (CRConrad)
                 Re: Wotz a "black shoe" sailor? - (hnick)
                 Navy Black Shoes - (dlevitt) - (1)
                     How can the Marines provide adult supervision - (jbrabeck)
             Not the plan, but the probable result - (JayMehaffey) - (2)
                 Big Deck / Small Deck tradeoffs - (dlevitt) - (1)
                     'One aircraft carrier + one submarine = one submarine.' - (Andrew Grygus)

Option #2, encourage death sports amongst the vegetarian crowd.
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