Post #192,605
2/2/05 8:15:22 AM
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Churchill steps down.
Received via email: Published on Tuesday, February 1, 2005 by the Daily Camera / Boulder, Colorado Churchill Quits Chairmanship CU Professor Will Continue Tenured Teaching Position by Matthew Beaudin Ward Churchill resigned Monday from his post as chairman of the University of Colorado's Department of Ethnic Studies, but he plans to keep his job as a tenured professor.
"Given the furor which has arisen over the past week concerning my 2001 essay, 'Some People Push Back,' I feel it inappropriate that I continue in my position as chair of the Department of Ethnic Studies," Churchill wrote in a Monday letter to Todd Gleeson, dean of the College of Arts and Sciences.
The essay, published just after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said Americans couldn't keep supporting global atrocities without expecting repercussions. It stirred controversy last week when students at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., protested Churchill's invitation to speak at the school.
The step down will cost Churchill about $20,000 a year. He earned $94,242 as a professor, and received a 21 percent increase for his chairmanship, CU spokeswoman Pauline Hale said.
Churchill again defended his essay Monday in a statement released on the Department of Ethnic Studies' Web site.
"I am not a 'defender' of the Sept. 11 attacks, but simply pointing out that if U.S. foreign policy results in massive death and destruction abroad, we cannot feign innocence when some of that destruction is returned," he wrote.
"The gross distortions of what I actually said can only beviewed as an attempt to distract the public from the real issues at hand and to further stifle freedom of speech and academic debate in this country."
Churchill's resignation was not enough to appease critics who are calling for him to leave CU altogether.
The Board of Regents will hold a special meeting Thursday to address Churchill's comments and his future at the university, Regent Tom Lucero said. He said they will speak publicly about Churchill before going into an executive session with interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano.
None of the regents would say whether they thought Churchill should be fired. CU officials previously have defended his right to free speech but distanced the university from his views.
U.S. Rep. Bob Beauprez, R-Arvada, went further.
"This is way beyond the bounds of moral clarity, of right and wrong, of good and evil," he said Monday.
U.S. Rep. Mark Udall, D-Eldorado Springs, said he was more concerned about Churchill apologizing than leaving the chairmanship.
"I think this is certainly a step in the right direction," Udall said. "I still hope that professor Churchill would apologize."
Others continued to defend a man they called a good professor who's been misunderstood.
"People think he advocates terrorism, but he's just explaining why people we call terrorists do what they do," said CU junior Shawn Baland, who met with other Churchill supporters on campus Monday night.
Roger Bowen, general secretary of the American Association of University Professors, defends controversial faculty members nationwide. The group fields about 1,200 calls per year, many from professors facing pressure from inside their institutions.
"Any time you silence speech, I think it affects the freedom of a university," he said.
Bowen debunked the notion that taxpayers have leverage over Churchill's speech.
"Because he is employed by a state institution, then the state has to follow the First Amendment," Bowen said.
But Isaiah Lechowit, president of CU's College Republicans, said it's not matter of personal free speech.
"When he speaks, he's not speaking as Ward Churchill," Lechowit said. "He's speaking as professor Ward Churchill."
The College Republicans plan to protest at 10 a.m. today at the fountain outside the University Memorial Center. Protesters will sign petitions to CU President Elizabeth Hoffman demanding Churchill's firing before distributing fliers to Churchill's 12:30 p.m. class.
"I think our actions helped lead to his resignation, and I hope our actions help lead to his termination," Lechowit said.
Churchill is still slated to participate in Thursday's panel at Hamilton College, titled "Limits of Dissent?"
Vige Barrie, director of public relations at Hamilton College, said she expects protesters at the panel but added: "It's an issue of free speech, and that would be censorship to cancel it at this point."
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #192,624
2/2/05 10:08:47 AM
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Thoughtcrime.
Doubleplusungood.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #192,645
2/2/05 12:28:27 PM
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Re: Thoughtcrime.
I believe that freedom of speech includes the right to utter exceptionally idiotic drivel I think that it is somewhat different when a professor in a 'publish or perish' envirionment publishes said drivel If he had facts to back up his claims that would be one a different matter in any case all the 'little Eichmanns' can rest easy as Hamilton College has canceled the forum
A
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Post #192,648
2/2/05 12:40:12 PM
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So, you think that there's zero tolerance for atrocities in
US foreign policy?
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Post #192,672
2/2/05 2:33:22 PM
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Don't understand the question
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Post #192,689
2/2/05 4:35:48 PM
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You seem to think he doesn't have any facts
to back up his claims that the US has a high tolerance for atrocities when it serves one of the US' goals... and that therefore it should not be a gigantic surprise when someone gets one in on the US.
This does seem to be the claim for which he's taking all the flak.
Sounds more like people attempting to deny reality because it might mean something about one of their social identities that's less than perfect to me.
For example, the gyrations the Republicans are going through to justify approving Gonzalez for Attorney General. Outside the US, his appointment (and probable approval) are pretty much taken as continuing evidence of the hysteria and madness that has taken hold of the US, and esp. US elites. The idea that you're going to appoint someone who called the Geneva Convention "quaint" and that claimed that torture used to gather information rather than for the purpose of inflicting pain is not really torture to become your top cop just makes your government look incredibly bad. The fact that there doesn't seem to be much of a backlash against this by the public makes your country look bad.
After all, it's not a long way from smacking around Gitmo inmates to smacking around the freshly arrested in a police cell... esp. if it's only to get "information" rather than getting a bad cop's jollies off.
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Post #192,707
2/2/05 5:58:08 PM
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Don't bother me with the facts, jake123
It means that I might have to think...
(And that is anathema to all those of the Wacko Christian Rightcurrent ruling elite, whose followers seem to believe that being told what to think is aw-rightey!)
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Post #193,022
2/4/05 11:14:53 AM
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he doesn't have any facts
Eichmann -- personally directed the extermination of the European Jews
Little Eichmanns -- worked in WTC
I am not sensing a deep correlation here
Are going to say that the guy who mined the metal is on the same moral level as the guy who pulled the trigger and fired the metal bullet
I'm not
A
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Post #193,268
2/6/05 4:48:28 PM
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Wow, I guess central american death squads
trained in their art by the CIA were imaginary, eh?
Out of touch indeed.
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Post #193,308
2/6/05 7:26:26 PM
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Those were "freedom fighters"
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #193,378
2/7/05 10:18:15 AM
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Re: Wow, I guess central american death squads
That does not follow logically from my remarks about Churchill It does no good to say American foreign policy sucks and then to allow any rant against it to be considered reasonable whether it is absurd or not
by the same token just because I reject the 'little Eichmanns' usage that does not make me a right-winger or a supporter of US foreign policy
A (for Andy not Adolf Eichmann)
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Post #193,423
2/7/05 1:05:03 PM
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What remarks about Churchill?
I'm not responding to any posts where you mention Churchill.
Look, for many years the US in support of the multi-nationals that call it home has supported atrocities in many locations around the world; against trade unions, against economic nationalists who wanted to nationalise or simply encourage local industry, and so on. That this would result in a lot of people hating the US should not come as a great surprise, as they realise that the people who are randomly killing their union leaders have been trained and paid by the US. That this would eventually blow back on them should not be a great surprise either. What exactly is wrong with saying that? It's not like their hasn't been a boatload of evidence for this: United Fruit, Guatemalan death squads, Nicraguan Contras, etc (and I'm only using Central American examples because I'm more familiar with them; it's not like they don't exist in other developing nations). Saddam Hussein in the eighties is a sterling example of this particular practice; the fact that Hussein basically murdered his way to the top and laid waste to large swaths of ethnic minorities didn't bother the US one bit until he started threatening their interests.
He's just pointing out that expecting people to take that sort of thing with no complaint is extremely unrealistic. For that, he's being pilloried, because a lot of Americans want to feel that their country is completely without responsibility in the motivations of the WTC attackers, so that they can feel justified in any action taken against the ones they feel are responsible. This has some very negative effects for your country. One of the most notable is that the US is currently spending a lot of lives and money attempting to punish a bunch of people that had nothing to do with it, while ignoring a lot of the real perpetrators.
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Post #193,464
2/7/05 4:04:27 PM
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Re: What remarks about Churchill?
I don't have a problem with your statements my problem is being saddled with the likes of Churchill
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Post #193,214
2/6/05 1:04:22 PM
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Nonthoughtcrime, actually. Plus resume fraud.
And he's getting off easy.
Tenure sucks.
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Post #193,283
2/6/05 5:36:16 PM
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I see, if you're not white yer not right
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Post #192,657
2/2/05 1:23:25 PM
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the fact that he is an active member in AIM
presents his worldview, Custer died for your sins and so on. regards, daemon
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Post #192,682
2/2/05 3:21:15 PM
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It all sounds sensible to me
People don't blow themselves up to try to kill you because they think you're a good guy doing great things for the community.
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Post #193,449
2/7/05 2:03:01 PM
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I wonder.
I wonder how many people screaming about this have actually read what he wrote in its entirety? (People here don't count because most here would have in order to form an opinion).
But I am reminded of a Critical Thinking class I got into trouble I think I've mentioned before. Where the prof was an advocate of the ERA, but couldn't tell the class what it said because "it was too long". (It was one sentence).
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #193,510
2/7/05 9:17:31 PM
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what does earned run average have to do with cr thinking?
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Post #193,548
2/8/05 9:01:42 AM
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Were you "in" that class, or did you "teach" it? :-)
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Post #193,891
2/9/05 10:41:55 PM
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neither Im just well red :-)
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Post #193,922
2/10/05 3:43:06 AM
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'Least yer not__well, red.
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