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New Sorry but.. (again)
Most 'issues' worth discussing at all - are rarely solvable via some succession of Authorized-facts or their little cousins, factoids.

You might wish it otherwise (and it seems - you do). Neither Google nor the Library of Congress possess sufficient Facts to solve most homo-sap problems du jour. For just one Factual Example: attribution of 'motive' is basic to our sysetem of 'justice' (another Duesy of a notion in its very concept). Now Shakespeare has given us a rich source of possible remedies - with nary a Fact being required - all one needs is to acquire Wisdom ;-)

Facts can.. settle some issues of time, place - and possible motive. But where human behavior is the 'issue' -- facts have damn little to do with events, except afterwards: is it a fact that such and such occurred. More examples? Start with Rashomon for a primer.

IMhO - it doesn't matter if your self-bestowed Logic Skills\ufffd are real or imagined factoids. Your view appears to be about duelling Facts and not about (as my Mater used to say) arriving at the truth of matters through discussion, or so it appears.

The Doberman Pinscher School of assertion? OK in a dogfight. If ya like discussing philosophy with dogs? Oh Alpha Male.


Ashton
Woof!
New If you don't much care for facts...
I wonder if you have an alternative in mind?

You can't have a discussion without something to discuss. Are you suggesting we discuss mere opinions? Opinions are meaningless in a vacuum. Yes, mine too.

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Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
New Facts are important too,
in issues - especially where there are contradictory versions. But once an issue is defined, then next, most often what is needed - is some insight into the issue. Often that is about - what homo-saps often do in ____ situations.

Offhand I see little place for further facts at that stage - and damn little about Winning, either. Thus I don't understand your preoccupation with facts - since no one ever could hear all of those; we always decide upon ~insufficient data. Or never decide at all.


A.
     Give Tribunals a Try - (marlowe) - (29)
         Fascism: Not as bad as you've been led to believe. - (Brandioch) - (23)
             In the midst of this incoherent rant, one interesting bit... - (marlowe) - (22)
                 Incoherent to you. - (Brandioch) - (21)
                     It's not you - it's an incompatable .dll issue. - (inthane-chan) - (11)
                         :) - (Brandioch)
                         Facile dismissals from the peanut gallery? - (marlowe) - (9)
                             Perhaps you didn't read what I wrote. - (inthane-chan) - (8)
                                 No. Factual data points are cites of news articles. - (marlowe) - (7)
                                     Everyone needs something to believe in - (Silverlock)
                                     WTF? - (Brandioch)
                                     You raise some good points... - (inthane-chan) - (4)
                                         Okay, fair enough. - (marlowe) - (3)
                                             Sorry but.. (again) - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                 If you don't much care for facts... - (marlowe) - (1)
                                                     Facts are important too, - (Ashton)
                     Re: Incoherent to you. - (Steven A S) - (8)
                         You're partially correct. - (Brandioch) - (7)
                             Sounds reasonable to me - (drewk) - (5)
                                 Which brings us full circle. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                     On the effect of propoganda - (drewk) - (3)
                                         You're shifting focus. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                             You left out a few parts from the analogy - (drewk) - (1)
                                                 Think about that. - (Brandioch)
                             Re: You're partially correct. - (Steven A S)
         Interesting. Falls apart quickly though. - (Silverlock)
         Secret tribunals for non american citizens no prob until - (boxley) - (1)
             Finally something resembling an actual point. - (marlowe)
         WashPost - Mallaby OpEd - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Thanks - a memorable triumph of reason over 'facts' - (Ashton)

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