And no US troops involved in bringing democracy.

Post #188,278 by a6l6e6x 12/27/04 1:25:49 PM Reply	And no US troops involved in bringing democracy. Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #188,316 by Simon_Jester 12/27/04 4:22:39 PM Reply	Now, now....don't be dishonest You know old pucker-face wouldn't have won without the glorious help of ol' Dubya and his threat of sending in da troops.
Post #188,684 by marlowe 12/31/04 12:11:24 PM Reply	Sure he would have! Why, it happened all the time when Jimmy Carter was in charge! Wait a minute. No it didn't. Happened under Reagan and Papa Bush, though. Most of eastern Europe got liberated from the forces of the worker's paradise. Clinton had a stab at cleaning up the Balkans, with decidely mixed results. Gunboat diplomacy is enormously effective in a large section of the world. Doesn't work against Islamist fascists, though. But the gunboats themselves have some effect. Stubborn stains may require repeated treatments. There's a remote possibility we could see a Prague 1968 scenario in Ukrania. Then it will get very interesting. Oh, and by the way, the Ukraine - a.k.a the Ukrainain SSR - was a Soviet province that no longer exists as such. It's Ukrania now. Like it or not. (Or Ukrainia, for a valid alternate spelling. But why bother with spelling flames when there's such wonderful and interesting things going on to talk about?) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Well, pardon us for winning the election. Memo to Democrats and to the Left: hatred is not a substitute for vision. "All the news you wish would go away" [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #188,688 by pwhysall 12/31/04 12:34:35 PM Reply	It's "Ukraine". [link\|http://www.ukrconsul.org/\|http://www.ukrconsul.org/] [link\|http://kiev.usembassy.gov/main_eng.html\|http://kiev.usembassy.gov/main_eng.html] [link\|http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/up.html\|http://www.cia.gov/c...book/geos/up.html] Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #188,739 by Simon_Jester 1/1/05 8:03:33 AM Reply	Chuckle... Wait a minute. No it didn't. Happened under Reagan and Papa Bush, though. Most of eastern Europe got liberated from the forces of the worker's paradise. I'm surprised you mentioned Reagan. I wasn't going to go there; given Reagan history of trading with terrorists. Gunboat diplomacy is enormously effective in a large section of the world. Doesn't work against Islamist fascists, though. But the gunboats themselves have some effect. Stubborn stains may require repeated treatments. Actually, I agree with you. Give Carter some credit as he was one of the first modern presidents that had to deal with Islamist extremists. He tried negotiations, which worked with Egypt and Israel...but failed with the terrorists. He tried force...but the special forces group failed as well. Personally, I disagree with Reagan's solution even more though.

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