Post #185,201
11/27/04 5:54:03 PM
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the technology is pretty dumb
load shale into bin and apply hot water, collect liquid and drain oil off the top,
just a matter of scaling, environmental concerns and startup costs.
regards,
daemon
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Post #185,233
11/28/04 7:05:38 AM
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So why isn't it being done now?
I'd guess the water requirements are still the limiting factor. Can't use potable water. Can't realistically use even sewer water as it can be recycled back to potable and is too necessary for irrigation/crops. That leaves salt water. How you going to get one to the other? More pipelines probably. Now what are you going to do with the waste? recycle or bury?
Feasible at 30 dollars a barrel? Not a chance. Maybe at 300.
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Post #185,245
11/28/04 11:43:38 AM
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it IS being done now, read the link
THE ATP FOR OIL PRODUCTION FROM OIL SHALES
The ATP is applied commercially as a new technology to produce
oil from oil shale in Queensland, Australia. A 4,500 barrels per
day production capacity plant was commissioned in 1999 that
employs a 250 tph feed capacity ATP Processor to extract
hydrocarbons from the mined shale. Secondary processes condense
the vapors and condition the oil to market standards.
The Processor is a rotary kiln-type vessel in which the
continuous flow feed shale is heated and retorted at
approximately 550 deg.C. The size of the cylindrical unit is 8m
diameter by 60m long. the word commisioned implies produxction regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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Post #185,253
11/28/04 12:44:49 PM
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Yes, it is happening now
A lot of facilities are being built in Alberta right now. This is not without controversy up here; the process uses a LOT of natural gas, and it's driving the prices for natural gas up. A lot of homes in Canada use natural gas for heating, and it's hitting a lot of people in the wallet. The other issue is the water, and just what will be done with it afterwards.
The trade press and business pages up here run stories on the development of the tar sands a lot these days. The added activity is also lifting up some of the provinces; Alberta became debt-free earlier this year, and Saskatchewan is now officially a "have" province (within the context of federal transfer payments between provinces).
Saskatchewan (birthplace of Canadian socialism and socialist medicare) could become a good place to settle, when looking at the long term; land's cheap, there aren't many people there, and the only major drawback is that the winters are completely brutal.
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Post #185,258
11/28/04 12:59:41 PM
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the winters are fine in Saskatchewan
spent a winter in the wonderful town of watreaus. Nice dry cold, not too much snow, some nice country if you like flat prairie. If you dont go into the slave lake region. Before I die I would like to traverse slave lake into the Makenzie river and float to the mouth.
regards,
daemon
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Post #185,320
11/28/04 8:22:38 PM
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Try running that one past Todd
after all, he thinks Seattle's too cold;)
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Post #185,323
11/28/04 10:11:16 PM
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cause he lives on a boat
in seatle in a boat at 30 degrees farenheit it feels subzero. No insulation and radiated heat by either a diesel stove or propane stove.
regards,
daemon
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Post #185,501
11/29/04 9:14:03 PM
8/21/07 6:08:34 AM
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It was freakin cold last night lemme tell ya
First time temp has dropped to the low 20's and I foolishly turned off the heat when I went to CO for T-day. Came back and turned on heat but it didn't warm up much last night. Maybe when I get home tonight.
Also, my current heat is shore power electric (liquid filled radiator type to which I add a little fan to blow the heat off it and into the room).
Gotta get me a diesel furnace soon.
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Post #185,250
11/28/04 11:55:43 AM
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But is it cheap?
Still getting no joy from that webserver. The technology may be dumb but so's coal mining and it's $48 per ton. And this technology requires heating water, which very energy intensive. The question remains: is it cheap and does it do it in large quantities, with the emphasis on cheap and large quantities?
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Post #185,251
11/28/04 12:15:16 PM
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read my reply to Silverlock
4500 barrels a day being done now. If it didnt meet local oil prices it would be shut down I would think.
regards,
daemon
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Post #185,254
11/28/04 12:46:41 PM
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Watch for that number to expand
there's a lot of development happening, but there's lead time before they can get up and running. The facilities required are huge and there's still negotiating happening wrt environmental issues. Check that number again in another two years...
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Post #185,257
11/28/04 12:58:18 PM
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You have a point
Matthew Greet
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