Why is code size your (apparently) sole criterion?

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Post #183,195 by drewk 11/6/04 12:23:25 AM Reply	Why is code size your (apparently) sole criterion? Is it because that's the "best" metric? Please show your proof. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #183,424 by tablizer 11/8/04 2:43:37 AM Reply	You are welcome to present ANY metric you can justify The common common metrics that people more or less agree on are: * Once and only once - ridding duplication * Easier to change - change scenarios are given and the impact on code is analyzed * Code size - less code is generally better I am not saying these are necessarily the best or most complete, but they are the easiest to analyze and communicate about up to this point. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #183,436 by drewk 11/8/04 9:05:55 AM Reply	Thank you I asked for proof of the value of your metric. You replied that it's common and people more or less agree. So popularity is your criterion. OOP is popular. Therefore, OOP is good. Thank you for this admission of defeat. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #183,668 by tablizer 11/8/04 11:47:03 PM Reply	Usually people don't question those much If you have some better ones, then please describe them. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #183,447 by admin 11/8/04 9:25:46 AM Reply	We've already been over change scenarios Re-read the thread. You gave up on the change metric because of the branching and source code control issues. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #183,671 by tablizer 11/8/04 11:52:31 PM Reply	re: We've already been over change scenarios You gave up on the change metric because of the branching and source code control issues. "Branching"? I am not sure what you are refering to. Version branching or flow logic branching? As far as version management, the existing tools are biased toward files. I agreed to that fact. However, that is not an inborn inherent fault of tables, which was my point above. ________________ oop.ismad.com

Time for good anti-OO battle to take minds off of election - (tablizer) - (77) - Nov. 1, 2004, 11:35:59 PM EST

Sorry cant go there - (daemon) - (32) - Nov. 1, 2004, 11:48:17 PM EST

How is being locked to a DB more evil than being locked to - (tablizer) - (31) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:39:02 AM EST

It's best to fit the tool to the job - (FuManChu) - (30) - Nov. 2, 2004, 02:11:14 AM EST

Thanks for that ... +5 insightful - (drewk) - (6) - Nov. 2, 2004, 09:40:01 AM EST

For various definitions of "start" ;) - (FuManChu) - Nov. 2, 2004, 11:07:35 AM EST

On writing the "little language thing ..." - (systems) - (4) - Nov. 5, 2004, 02:16:06 PM EST

Suggestion - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 5, 2004, 02:41:32 PM EST

"Little Language" definition, components - (FuManChu) - (2) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:34:56 PM EST

On what makes it easy to do little languages. - (JimWeirich) - (1) - Nov. 9, 2004, 07:34:59 AM EST

Good point. - (FuManChu) - Nov. 9, 2004, 11:01:58 AM EST

Orthogonal to DB usage - (tablizer) - (22) - Nov. 2, 2004, 11:54:53 AM EST

That's actually a good idea - (drewk) - (17) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:46:40 PM EST

*Snork* beat me to it :) -NT - (FuManChu) - Nov. 2, 2004, 01:24:08 PM EST

Cure worse than the medicine. - (tablizer) - (15) - Nov. 4, 2004, 09:58:12 PM EST

"tends to bloat up code" - (admin) - (14) - Nov. 4, 2004, 11:03:11 PM EST

Your "solution" to such bloat was HQL, yes or no? -NT - (tablizer) - (13) - Nov. 4, 2004, 11:49:05 PM EST

It was a solution, yes. -NT - (admin) - Nov. 5, 2004, 12:06:32 AM EST

Since you seem to be slow... - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Nov. 5, 2004, 11:45:07 AM EST

I did NOT "lose". His solution was variation on SQL - (tablizer) - (10) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:00:11 PM EST

In your universe, perhaps - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:11:07 PM EST

The mapper did not reduce his code size - (tablizer) - (8) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:16:02 PM EST

Bryce, you lost this one already. - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:20:03 PM EST

I did NOT fscken lose. He gave no code-size proof. Zilch. - (tablizer) - (6) - Nov. 5, 2004, 07:15:01 PM EST

Why is code size your (apparently) sole criterion? - (drewk) - (5) - Nov. 6, 2004, 12:23:25 AM EST

You are welcome to present ANY metric you can justify - (tablizer) - (4) - Nov. 8, 2004, 02:43:37 AM EST

Thank you - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:05:55 AM EST

Usually people don't question those much - (tablizer) - Nov. 8, 2004, 11:47:03 PM EST

We've already been over change scenarios - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:25:46 AM EST

re: We've already been over change scenarios - (tablizer) - Nov. 8, 2004, 11:52:31 PM EST

"Orthogonal" in exactly the same sense as differential gears - (FuManChu) - (3) - Nov. 2, 2004, 01:23:35 PM EST

You just shortened this thread by 200 posts. Cut & Paste. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 2, 2004, 02:03:26 PM EST

"[Nobody] ...points out that the cut-and-paste method... - (FuManChu) - Nov. 2, 2004, 02:26:58 PM EST

No, you got me all wrong, dude - (tablizer) - Nov. 4, 2004, 10:46:13 PM EST

Repeat after me: - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:03:09 AM EST

I never said OO was JUST about inheritance. - (tablizer) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:36:44 AM EST

Amusing to note... - (JimWeirich) - (41) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:52:46 PM EST

re: nouns and noun grouping - (tablizer) - (40) - Nov. 4, 2004, 11:36:55 PM EST

Bryce: control tables are bad - (admin) - (37) - Nov. 5, 2004, 12:06:15 AM EST

Time will erase performance differences - (tablizer) - (36) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:11:12 PM EST

That's not the main reason why they're bad. - (admin) - (35) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:24:24 PM EST

Because VC tools are hierarchy-biased. - (tablizer) - (34) - Nov. 5, 2004, 08:05:42 PM EST

Go read the thread. - (admin) - (33) - Nov. 5, 2004, 09:19:45 PM EST

You always talk as if I push a grand conspiracy - (tablizer) - (32) - Nov. 5, 2004, 09:40:45 PM EST

Relational has its place. - (admin) - (31) - Nov. 5, 2004, 10:41:05 PM EST

Math and Boolean expressions - (tablizer) - (30) - Nov. 6, 2004, 12:22:20 AM EST

Ever use Zachary? - (admin) - (29) - Nov. 6, 2004, 12:09:32 PM EST

I will believe it only when I see it with my own eyes - (tablizer) - (28) - Nov. 8, 2004, 02:40:25 AM EST

- said the blind man (ducks and runs) -NT - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:23:42 AM EST

NO. - (admin) - (26) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:26:39 AM EST

You never identified an in-born fault of tables. -NT - (tablizer) - (25) - Nov. 8, 2004, 11:55:08 PM EST

Tables don't make good chairs. - (Another Scott) - (24) - Nov. 9, 2004, 12:16:12 AM EST

Vacuum Tubes - (tablizer) - (23) - Nov. 20, 2004, 09:01:02 PM EST

You can pry my tube guitar amp outta my cold, dead fingers. - (Steve Lowe) - (22) - Nov. 21, 2004, 01:28:02 AM EST

Digital precision can be boring - (tablizer) - (18) - Nov. 22, 2004, 09:06:27 PM EST

Yes - tubes are IT man - (tuberculosis) - (17) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:54:19 AM EDT

Heh! That was my first bass amp! - (jb4) - (16) - Nov. 23, 2004, 07:04:01 PM EST

I don't know whether to be amused or appalled - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:56:00 AM EDT

Both actually - (jb4) - (14) - Nov. 30, 2004, 05:54:59 PM EST

In negotiations - (jake123) - (13) - Dec. 1, 2004, 12:17:12 AM EST

Drooooooooool - (Steve Lowe) - (12) - Dec. 1, 2004, 12:26:42 AM EST

Didn't get it - (jake123) - (11) - Dec. 3, 2004, 02:12:12 PM EST

Bum R! -NT - (jb4) - (10) - Dec. 3, 2004, 06:24:37 PM EST

Oh well. - (jake123) - (9) - Dec. 3, 2004, 07:29:55 PM EST

Talk to your amp tech - (Steve Lowe) - (8) - Dec. 4, 2004, 01:48:50 AM EST

Oh yeah - (jake123) - (1) - Dec. 4, 2004, 08:29:05 PM EST

Had a teacher who did that - (drewk) - Dec. 5, 2004, 11:22:11 AM EST

Re: Talk to your amp tech - (Ashton) - (5) - Dec. 6, 2004, 12:09:58 AM EST

What I'm gaining - (jake123) - (4) - Dec. 6, 2004, 11:59:46 AM EST

Have you considered an attenuator? - (Steve Lowe) - (3) - Dec. 6, 2004, 02:11:53 PM EST

Yes I have - (jake123) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2004, 02:49:16 PM EST

New thread time, maybe...? -NT - (admin) - Dec. 6, 2004, 02:56:13 PM EST

This might not cost a bundle.. (new thread) - (Ashton) - Dec. 6, 2004, 11:32:23 PM EST

Mesa Boogie Forever -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:54:14 AM EDT

That'll prolly be my second choice - (jake123) - Dec. 1, 2004, 09:14:47 AM EST

Feh! The Ultimate was... - (jb4) - Dec. 2, 2004, 06:09:36 PM EST

re: nouns and noun grouping - (JimWeirich) - (1) - Nov. 5, 2004, 12:53:18 AM EST

Can't do a whole lot with your hidden anecdotes - (tablizer) - Nov. 8, 2004, 02:49:14 AM EST

That's because droids don't tear peoples arms off when they lose.
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