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Your mixing my points also.
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Not at all. Just re-iterating that the money that flushed into the economy was CC/personal loan money - NOT due to "tax cuts that increased federal revenues"
Personal credit certainly didn't hurt (but the huge growth in that came in the 90s when the economy was great...right?) And that doesn't explain the ww2 spike. Government spending can and has driven the economy out of recession over and over and over again.
And you still are trying to qualify these things as good or bad and attach them to this administration as such. Thats crap. I know what you went through. Do you claim it now to be the fault of GW Bush? Manufacturing jobs have been fleeing this country for 40 years. Are you saying now that >that< is also the fault of GW Bush? You are employed in the service sector. Insurance companies were supposedly huge benefits of his policies. If all that shit was >his< fault (or even true) you should have had huge opportunity.
You can fault the system all you like. I'll likely agree with you until you start assigning it to one party or another. That is crap...and you know it to be.
In this election the choice was heads or tails of the same quarter. Any positive attributes of either candidate were completely eliminated by their downside. Kerry's wife owes her fortune to the first company I ever heard outsource jobs. Heinz moved hundreds of high paying jobs out of Pittsburgh to Ireland. Do you think that man of privilege understands anything about what is needed in West Philly to end their problems? Clinton "felt their pain"...but the only people he made rich were folks with money in the market already. No huge chunks of manufacturing jobs were created on his watch either.
This is systemic. As long as we feel the need to create layer upon layer of regulation that makes it more and more expensive for things to be made in the US then we will continue to lose jobs in manufacturing. Nearly 20% of cost in many states is just >state< taxes and fees...and thats before we hit the effects of spurious regulations and necessary insurances against bullshit liability cases. (coffee anyone?)
Additionally, we're just plain better at putting crap together than we used to be. Automation has made HUGE strides in the past 40 years. Factories I knew needed 1000 employees to run full shifts now need 300...and most of them need full engineering degrees to maintain the control room equipment.
On a percentage basis, we're going to lose these jobs anyway as money shifts away from durable mfr'ed goods purchases to service purchases...which is one of the largest factors in the decline in jobs since the late 80s.
One other factor that could help short term is to depress the US dollar on the world market. Carrying huge debt may just do that...at a disastrous effect to teh rest of the economy...but hey...we'll have those manufacturing jobs.
And I expected better than to listen to the 1% kool-aid here. No the one percent won't live in 100 houses. They also aren't the ones that bought all the houses that are currently owned at the moment. That one % shoulders 20% of the income tax burden and control 35 % of the wealth. Move that down to Top 20% and its aligned with the tax burden. Income taxes are the 80/20 rule. 80% of the taxpayers pay 20% of the taxes. (technically 80/28...but it doesn't work with the metaphor ;-) while the rest comes from those vast wealthy folks.
Look at the big picture long enough to get pissed of at ALL sides and we may begin to understand each other here.
