Post #182,615
11/3/04 8:34:28 PM
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the political and the personal
Like several of us here I am disappointed at the results of yesterday's contests—indeed, it seems from here as dire a development as any I've seen in my young life—but I'm surprised, particularly in view of the optimism I'd permitted myself in the latter weeks of the campaign, at the bleak equanimity with which I find myself greeting the catastrophe. This may have had to do with a certain emotional front-loading that took place this season. I broke a longstanding promise to myself (five elections back, come to that) never to treat politics as anything but theatre, and instead became, so to say, invested in the outcome. The campaign exhausted those emotional energies by its end, and there was nothing left for despair. Unlike some of the other Bush opponents here I actually liked John Kerry, and thought that he would have made a good, perhaps a very good president within the limits imposed on an administration committed to digging us out of the chasm we've landed ourselves in, and it is the foreclosure of this possibility that I feel more poignantly than the prospect of another four years of our Journey to the Center of the Earth. No doubt I'll have more to say about this anon in the appropriate fora.
Among early observed responses, let me commend the beepster for his restraint: I am slightly abashed to contrast his posts to the one or two nyah-nyahs I would likely have permitted myself had I held the morning-after advantage. Of course, there is always the philbot, whose gloating is predictably toxic and predictably peurile, to recall me to a stance of unassailable superiority in points of style. Cold comfort, I admit.
So...how are the rest of you taking it?
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #182,619
11/3/04 8:44:22 PM
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Badly.
I forsee the death of the Republic. The failure of the Great Experiment.
There is nothing to restrain the Neocons any more.
Bush need not fear re-election; if things go well for him he can just 'suspend' the constitution until his war against an 'ism' is 'finished'.
"The last remnants of the Old Republic will be swept away".
And Jedi don't exist.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #182,914
11/4/04 6:49:22 PM
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I'm afraid I have to agree with imric
I beileve that we have seen the end of this country, as we knew it. Now, someone might say that things change, get over it, all things come out as they should, yadda, yadda, yadda. But I can't help but feel that this change is not for the best; it is the result of the (some would say systematic) dumbing down of...well, of civilization in general, but certainly of this country in particular.
Moreover, I believe that I, and many others like me, have become more than just alienated; we are actively unwelcome in our own country. This wouldn't be the first time...we weren't welcome in the late '60s and early '70s either. But then, at least, there were two things present that are not present now: 1) We all believed that the system was just, and that with some prodding and a bit of penetrating oil, it would self-correct; and that 2) we were all Americans, and we all shared the same core values and feeling of protectivity (if there is such a word) for our country. You know, sorta like, I can beat up my little brother all I want...call him names, and generally just make his life hell within the confines of the family...but if anybody else wants to mess with my little brother, he's gonna hafta deal with me! In the 70's, Nixon was the target of a similar love-hate relationship (we loved to hate him, and the rednecks just loved him), but love him or hate him we all still felt that we were Americans, and we'd deal with our recalcitrant little brother in due time. (And, of course, we did.)
Now, however, the thread that we're all Americans is just...gone. As I stated in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=182444|this post], the majority of Americans (who voted, and given the depth of the turnout, one could extrapolate the results to the entire populace) appear to have a completely different set of core values. These new values are restrictive, punitive, and just plain mean-spirited. The New American Taliban, all to happy to tsk-tsk and tell me how I should...no, must live my life, and evemore arrogantly, how I am to feel about that.
Well, guess what? I've still got enough of the spirit of the 70's in me to invoke Dick Cheney's famous battle cry back to the faces of this new Taliban. But I'm also 30 years older now. Things have changed, and I'm just not as eager to put that chip back on my shoulder just one more time. Certainly, I'm not as willing to go it alone. What I need, is to see others also willing to put the chip back on their shoulder. To see young people put down their Nintendos and X-boxes, and study...something...anything relevant. God, would I love to hear a twentysomething quote anything from Thomas Jefferson, or Thomas Payne, even if I were to disagree with it. I need to see Seniors stand up, and publicly enumerate the parallels between what's happening here and what happend in 1939. What I need to see is somebody, then somebody else, then a group of somebodies, then another group, then several groups stand up and be counted among those who are not afraid to say the Emperor has no clothes, has never clothes, and to get the fsck off my damn lawn!
Were that to happen, it may lead to a civil war. So be it. The Second American Civil War will be a bloody affair, and will quite likely result in a new map. Is this country worth fighting for? In my opinion, no. Is the Constitution of the United States worth fighting for? You're damn right it is, in a New York minute! And if you (not you, Rand...but the collective 'you') don't see the difference, then you, too, get the fsck off my damn lawn!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #182,622
11/3/04 8:53:04 PM
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thats why we have liquor stores and gun shows, no pesky
computer checks. I didnt get what I want, but I will keep a sharp eye out on what the bastards are up to and make my voice heard. Doesnt do or mean a dam thing but its entertaining to say the least.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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Post #182,624
11/3/04 8:55:11 PM
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I didn't think much would change either way.
From the way Kerry was campaigning, and from the expected composition of the Congress, he wouldn't have been able to change much other than the tone and emphasis of many major issues. Iraq would have continued to be a problem, he would have had a very difficult time getting many of his big programs passed, the budget would still be a big problem, imported oil would continue to be a big problem, manufacturing and tech jobs would continue to be a big problem, etc.
I'm a little surprised that he didn't win, and disappointed, but I think the republic will survive.
My wife is taking it very, very hard. :-(
I'm hopeful that the Democrats will find their voice, and find sensible policies that they can explain to people and eventually gain majority support for, in the next 2-3 years. A monoculture in government, as in operating systems, is a bad thing. :-(
I'm also hopeful that the Senate in particular will not permit Bush to swing the Supreme Court even farther to the right. (I am heartened by the fact that a lifetime appointment and respect for precedents have sometimes moderated the more extreme views of some of the earlier USSC justices.)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #182,630
11/3/04 9:22:48 PM
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Surprise
I was expecting a Republican loss. There isn't any reason to gloat.
Unlike some, I don't see this as a disaster of epic proportions. What I am surprised at is the issue that apparently turned this election.
And again...Mr Miller might be a nutcase, but the democrats can't carry a single state in the south which gives him the right to "I told you so"...leading me to think that moral and religious issues are more important to the masses than those here (including myself) were aware of.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #182,634
11/3/04 9:37:37 PM
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Zell Miller
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in our South.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #182,641
11/3/04 9:45:51 PM
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I am not disappointed
I am furious.
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How do you convince a Washington Journalist that you're not slapping him in the face?
Tell him you're not.
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Post #182,739
11/4/04 7:43:44 AM
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And that is ridiculous
Up to you to determine why.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #182,746
11/4/04 9:00:57 AM
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You need to put the crank pipe down Bill
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How do you convince a Washington Journalist that you're not slapping him in the face?
Tell him you're not.
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Post #183,898
11/11/04 9:44:40 PM
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Golf.. golf can do this to an otherwise functioning mind
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Post #183,917
11/12/04 7:47:07 AM
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Shame I didn't get to play much
this year.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #182,642
11/3/04 9:50:51 PM
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I'm coping
I was also fairly disappointed, I was hoping for a change of commander-in-chief.
As for how I'm taking it, I'm not sure. I did develop a migraine headache last night watching the results, but it also could just be coincidence as this is the week they typically happen. :)
I think I'm more concerned really, with the fact that the republicans got more control of congress, and also that our state got a republican governor that worries me.
Nightowl >8#
"It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends."
(Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
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Post #182,650
11/3/04 10:11:18 PM
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Well, I'm wondering if I should develop an interest in...
firearms. Just in case, of course.
Yeh, it's depressing because the worry in the Bush gang's faces of a couple days ago gave me some hope. Underestimated Rove's abilities to play the sheeple.
Still hoping the Ohio shenanigans will be brought to light and the Republican hypocrisy, if not criminality, exposed.
But, as Box has said elsewhere, I'll have to put my Congresscritters on notice whenever any missteps are made.
Alex
In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet (1772-1834)
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Post #182,656
11/3/04 10:22:38 PM
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Drained.
Definitely morose. Wondering where to go next. Wondering how to rescue our country from the unholy alliance of the religious nutcases and rich business interests.
Wondering if we'll still have jobs that pay more than minimum wage w/no benefits in four years.
Consulting my copies of "Wealth and Democracy" and "American Dynasty" like the bible.
Let the president answer a higher anarchy/Strap him with an Ak-47, let him go, fight his own war/Let him impress daddy that way/No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil/No more psychological warfare, to trick us to thinking that we ain't loyal/If we don't serve our own country, we're patronizing a hero/Look in his eyes its all lies/The stars and stripes, they've been swiped, washed out and wiped/And replaced with his own face, Mosh now or die!
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Post #182,915
11/4/04 6:52:14 PM
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Sorry 'bout your birthday, Thane :-(
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #182,916
11/4/04 6:53:47 PM
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Eh, no biggie - fetal position is comfortable. :D
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Post #182,718
11/4/04 12:49:44 AM
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I see the two-party system as a pendulum
The fact that W. won this round only means the backlash will be stronger in 4 years when his policies bear fruit in his own term. I can't expect progress in this nation, only oscillating moderation of the extremists, left and right. Until, one day, the balance will tip permanently and you can kiss your sweet country good-bye.
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Post #182,770
11/4/04 11:21:19 AM
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Re: I see the two-party system as a pendulum
The only nice thing about the current majority is that they can't blame all their problems on the left.
Let the president answer a higher anarchy/Strap him with an Ak-47, let him go, fight his own war/Let him impress daddy that way/No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil/No more psychological warfare, to trick us to thinking that we ain't loyal/If we don't serve our own country, we're patronizing a hero/Look in his eyes its all lies/The stars and stripes, they've been swiped, washed out and wiped/And replaced with his own face, Mosh now or die!
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Post #182,773
11/4/04 11:34:29 AM
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Yep, it's the pits
-drl
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Post #182,722
11/4/04 1:00:17 AM
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Anticipating the destruction of the last super power
I do not believe that the current economic and foreign policies can stand. Our military is over extended on a worthless witch hunt and we are more vulnerable than ever since our ham handed shrubbery missed the opportunity to kill the organization and allowed it to fester into a movement. We are univerally reviled around the world because we are (as a nation) a self centered and ill mannered neighbor.
The root cause of our predicament is reliance on foreign oil but this government lacks the vision to make the hard changes to wean us from that energy source while there is so much money to be kicked back from Texas friends.
The rise of chrustian fundamentalism as a guiding principal is the worst sign so far. Welcome to the return of the middle ages where ignorance is revered and superstition rules.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #182,725
11/4/04 1:16:19 AM
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Yes, but a slow one. Maybe in my life but not within 4 years
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Post #182,756
11/4/04 9:55:30 AM
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Re: foreign oil dependence.
I heard Robert Kennedy, Jr. debating some RW looney on an NPR show last week-end and he said something that the RW'er did not dispute. I found it amazing. Kennedy claimed that if we only increased the fuel economy of our automobile fleet by 8 mpg, across the board, we would eliminate any need for foreign oil.
Before any oil/automobile defenders begin a rant about how difficult that would be, take a look at Toyota's product offerings. For instance, Ford Motor Co's most fuel efficient non-hybrid auto is the Focus (26 city/35 highway). Toyota's most non-hybrid fuel efficient auto is the Echo (35 city/42 highway). Or consider the 4 wheel drive Explorer (14 city/20 highway) against the 4 wheel drive Highlander (21 city/25 highway). If Kennedy's remark was correct, the elimination of our dependence on foreign oil may be as simple as replacing our nation's automobile fleet with Toyotas.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell
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Post #182,963
11/4/04 10:46:37 PM
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Eliminate dependence on foreign oil with this
[link|http://www.fiberforge.com/|http://www.fiberforge.com/]
A colorado company - they claim to have cracked the light weight composite labor problem such that they can compete with steel on strength and manufacturing cost at a fraction of the weight. Their proof of concept project? A 90+ mpg 5 passenger luxury car (on the drawing boards - no prototype - seems they are having issues raising development capital in that the US Venture Capitalists won't invest in manufacturing technologies).
We can compete in manufacturing if we wanna.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #182,971
11/4/04 11:11:32 PM
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Another solution.
Rich Ceppos in the 11/8/2004 AutoWeek (p.12): Dear Mr. President, whoever you are:
[...]
You see, Mr. President, automobilies have a huge impact in both domestic and foreign policy. It's that energy thing. We all agree tht America is far too dependent on foreign oil, particularly from countries that don't exactly want to go out with us after work for a couple of beers. And second, if you think that the world is sucking up crude at a prodigious rate now, just wait until China's car market gets up to speed. Which will be, oh, next week.
An analysis of vehicle ownership quoted recently by BMW chairman Helmut Panke revealed the United States has about 900 vehicles for every 1000 citizens. In Europe, it's a little more than half that. But China has just 10 cars per 1000 people. And it's already the third-largest car market (by country) after the United States and Japan, and growing like stinkweed.
Don't worry, sir, I've got it figured. First, we become less dependent on foreign oil by tapping the vast reserves in the Alaskan wilderness. Some will tar me -- excuse the pun -- as being an anti-environmentalist, oil-company-loving Republican. Whatever. But I've driven the Al-Can highway through the Yukon and Alaska, which follows the Alaska pipeline for 1500 miles.
Environmental impact? Imagine the entire continental United States, empty and sparsely populated, like before Columbus arrived. Now string an eight-foot-wide pipe coast-to-coast. That's what it's like in Alaska. When you're there it's a nonissue.
Second, we need a gas tax that increases a dime a year for over the next 30 years. Okay, now accuse me of being an anti-free-market, tax-and-spend Democrat who wants bigger government. Whatever.
Get the price of gas up to that of Europe and Asia and people will drive corresponding economical vehicles. People are smart, Mr. President. They do what's best for them. When gas gets expensive, they buy stingier cars and keep the hammer down.
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Forget raising CAFE requirements. That will only hurt the car manufacturers and their workers, who will be forced to build smaller vehicles than people want in a cheap-gas world. All we need is the right market incentive: higher gas prices.
Just be sure to ratchet up that tax very slowly, to give car makers ample time to change their vehicle mix and stay in business. That's what the 30-year horizon is all about. Start on this now and stay the course; you will be known as the president who gave America its first energy policy.
[...] I like the gas tax idea. I think CAFE requirements should be raised to encorage more work on high-efficiency vehicles and less on 500 HP pickup trucks. I'm ambivalent on ANWAR drilling. Perhaps gas should be priced in the US in $/liter. On our trip to Banff, gas was C$0.85/liter. It didn't seem that expensive after a while, even though it was C$3.22/gal (about $2.67/gal). There may be psychological benefits to moving toward pricing gas in liters, but that'll probably not fly anytime soon. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #182,979
11/4/04 11:33:34 PM
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I've suggested the tax idea in the past.
What I had suggested was a penny increase a week for 5 years. Perhaps that's to fast adapt to in both habits and products from manufacturers. But, it seems like 10 years aught to be plenty for everyone to adapt.
I recall how after the second gas crunch (~1979, first crunch was in 1973) efficient cars were hard to find on dealer lots. The Japanese cars were at a premium. Detroit got serious in changing designs after that.
Alex
In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet (1772-1834)
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Post #182,982
11/4/04 11:47:00 PM
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Several things happened at once in the 1970s.
I like your timeframe better. A 30 year timeframe seems very long to me (and we know that Congress would want to change the tax every year or so anyway).
There were more stringent safety regulations (e.g. 5 mph bumpers, air bags), more stringent emissions regulations (e.g. catalytic converters became ubiquitous), and CAFE standards. It was good for the industry and for the economy because more sophisticated engines were required (e.g. 4 valve per cylinder heads), and more efficient, more sophisticated cars that the manufacturers could charge more for resulted.
US manufacturers are being very short sighted by not pursuing efficiency. Honda and Toyota "get it". GM, Ford, and DC don't to anywhere near the same extent. They must see that very soon giant pickups, SUVs and minivans aren't going to sell well. If they don't get on the stick, the Japanese and Korean car companies are going to eat them up again. Hybrids are [link|http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/hybrid8e_20041008.htm|growing] and US companies are late to the party.
I'm generally opposed to government trying to guide the market, in the abstract. But oil consumption isn't just a consumer-choice issue. It's a national security issue, it's a balance of trade issue, it's a technological competitiveness issue, and it's an environmental issue. The US needs to have government policies that recognize this, and I think that includes raising CAFE standards.
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who remembers gas being over $1 a gallon when he was making ~$3.10 an hour.)
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Post #183,035
11/5/04 10:02:49 AM
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Re: pricing in liters
Are you outcherfukinmind?!? We were this close [/me pinches fingers some 5 mm apart] to going completely metric in the 80's. Guess what? "We" elected a brain-dead xenophobic cowboy who couldn't understand the concept of a liter, a kilogram, or a kilometer.
Compare and contrast that with today, where "we" have just elected a brain-dead xenophobic cowboy who can't understand the concept of a liter, a kilogram, or a kilometer.
YKMV (Your Kilometerage May Vary)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #183,039
11/5/04 10:13:37 AM
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On word usage
We still talk about "dialing" phones, though most people under 21 have never seen a rotary phone. Does the rest of the english-speaking, metric-using world still use the term "milage" even though they no longer use miles?
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Post #183,042
11/5/04 10:20:32 AM
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YKMV
OT: While stationed in GY, I found that vehicles were not rated by mileage (how many miles per gallon) but by how many liters per 100 kilometers.
Simple stated:
US how far on per unit of fuel
GY how much fuel for a specific distance.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #183,055
11/5/04 10:49:40 AM
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That's more directly useful
If I know my drive to work is 50 km each way, I know without doing a conversion what that's going to cost me.
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Post #182,730
11/4/04 1:57:41 AM
11/4/04 1:58:54 AM
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Re: the political and the personal
I am sickened to the core of my being that my countrymen endorsed torture.
Whatever last tenuous threads connected me to them have been severed. I don't care about them at all, and in fact fear them. For me, last night was our own Kristallnacht.
-drl
Edited by deSitter
Nov. 4, 2004, 01:58:54 AM EST
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Post #182,733
11/4/04 3:42:41 AM
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Ambivalent
My main concern for a Kerry victory was the mess he would be blamed for by the Republicans in 4 years, which would likely put us right back where we are now.
Many conservatives fear that 4 more years of Bush will tarnish the Republican party to such an extent it will lose power. Of course, by then the Democratic party would have to find viable candidates and a coherent message or Republicans will win anyway.
Meanwhile, we still have our favorite whipping boy to rail on about.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #182,764
11/4/04 10:15:20 AM
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You make a good point.
There are two good things to come out of this result.
1) Bush gets to clean up his own mess. This is what you need to do with children who create a mess.
2) There's a chance that, as a result, both parties will see shakeups and we'll end up with (dare I say) a palatable choice next time. I'm pessimistic on this one, though.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #182,788
11/4/04 12:30:41 PM
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Oh, Bush isn't going to clean it up.
I expect him to just make his mess a lot worse, but by then it'll be pleny obvious it's got to be fixed who's fault the mess is.
The only serious downside I see is the probability of another conservative Supreme Court appointment.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #182,799
11/4/04 12:49:15 PM
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Only "another"?
I'm forecasting 3 or 4, myself...
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #182,845
11/4/04 3:22:58 PM
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Exactly.
After the toddler fails to clean up the mess the second time, it's time for the paddle...
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #183,938
11/12/04 8:19:06 PM
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{chortle} ..yearning for the Dead Parrot crew to rhapsodize
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Post #183,005
11/5/04 3:30:39 AM
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Re: the political and the personal
As I am curently unable to vote, I will have to voice my opinion here instead.
What sacres me the most about the out come of this election is not the fact that a not too bright of a guy gets to keep his job for another 4 years but rather the fact that his down right scary looking co-workers get to keep their's.
I am sorry to all the neocons or just plain reps in this boards who might get offended by my opinion but coming from the country where Politics look alot like a day on Olimpus, Bush simply dosent look like he is actualy calling the shots.
If you ever read a book on Cold War or Russian politics you might see what I am talking about.
more on this latter.
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Post #183,006
11/5/04 4:26:17 AM
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deep man, well said
-drl
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Post #183,054
11/5/04 10:48:55 AM
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No argument here.
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Post #183,119
11/5/04 4:00:40 PM
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Don't be sorry for the neocons...
..they won't be sorry for you!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #183,320
11/7/04 4:04:55 AM
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Re: Don't be sorry for the neocons...
I think they would be if they could just picture Bush in the drivers seat during the Cuban Missle Crisis or bettter yet at Yalta conferens.
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Post #183,510
11/8/04 2:04:04 PM
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You kidding?!?
They'd love it!
Just repeat softly to yourself: "Rapture...Rapture...Rapture...Rapture...Rapture......."
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #183,571
11/8/04 5:16:30 PM
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Thank you for that idea.
And, what we have now is only marginally easier, and only because it hasn't developed enough yet. Four more years is just the right incubation period.
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This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet.
-- [link|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx|The] Daily WTF
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