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Post #182,143

by admin

11/2/04 12:03:09 AM

Repeat after me:

There is more to OO than implementation inheritance.

There is more to OO than implementation inheritance.

There is more to OO than implementation inheritance.

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-scott anderson

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Post #182,150

by tablizer

11/2/04 12:36:44 AM

I never said OO was JUST about inheritance.

But if you go away from inheritance, then OO is even *more* messy. Relational offers a more consistent and more viewable way to relate a bunch of information together. Objects are mostly just glorified maps (dictionary arrays) of attributes, functions, and pointers. (Robert Martin calls them "jump tables".)

Tables make better building blocks than maps of pointers for most things. Relational has better theory behind it than networks of maps. Networks of maps are shanty towns with no solid, consistent rules and a lot of work to change. There is no Dr. Codd of maps so far either. Two different people are more likely to come up with the same/similar relational shema designs than the same network of maps to do the same thing.

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Time for good anti-OO battle to take minds off of election - (tablizer) - (77) - Nov. 1, 2004, 11:35:59 PM EST

Sorry cant go there - (daemon) - (32) - Nov. 1, 2004, 11:48:17 PM EST

How is being locked to a DB more evil than being locked to - (tablizer) - (31) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:39:02 AM EST

It's best to fit the tool to the job - (FuManChu) - (30) - Nov. 2, 2004, 02:11:14 AM EST

Thanks for that ... +5 insightful - (drewk) - (6) - Nov. 2, 2004, 09:40:01 AM EST

For various definitions of "start" ;) - (FuManChu) - Nov. 2, 2004, 11:07:35 AM EST

On writing the "little language thing ..." - (systems) - (4) - Nov. 5, 2004, 02:16:06 PM EST

Suggestion - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 5, 2004, 02:41:32 PM EST

"Little Language" definition, components - (FuManChu) - (2) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:34:56 PM EST

On what makes it easy to do little languages. - (JimWeirich) - (1) - Nov. 9, 2004, 07:34:59 AM EST

Good point. - (FuManChu) - Nov. 9, 2004, 11:01:58 AM EST

Orthogonal to DB usage - (tablizer) - (22) - Nov. 2, 2004, 11:54:53 AM EST

That's actually a good idea - (drewk) - (17) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:46:40 PM EST

*Snork* beat me to it :) -NT - (FuManChu) - Nov. 2, 2004, 01:24:08 PM EST

Cure worse than the medicine. - (tablizer) - (15) - Nov. 4, 2004, 09:58:12 PM EST

"tends to bloat up code" - (admin) - (14) - Nov. 4, 2004, 11:03:11 PM EST

Your "solution" to such bloat was HQL, yes or no? -NT - (tablizer) - (13) - Nov. 4, 2004, 11:49:05 PM EST

It was a solution, yes. -NT - (admin) - Nov. 5, 2004, 12:06:32 AM EST

Since you seem to be slow... - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Nov. 5, 2004, 11:45:07 AM EST

I did NOT "lose". His solution was variation on SQL - (tablizer) - (10) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:00:11 PM EST

In your universe, perhaps - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:11:07 PM EST

The mapper did not reduce his code size - (tablizer) - (8) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:16:02 PM EST

Bryce, you lost this one already. - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:20:03 PM EST

I did NOT fscken lose. He gave no code-size proof. Zilch. - (tablizer) - (6) - Nov. 5, 2004, 07:15:01 PM EST

Why is code size your (apparently) sole criterion? - (drewk) - (5) - Nov. 6, 2004, 12:23:25 AM EST

You are welcome to present ANY metric you can justify - (tablizer) - (4) - Nov. 8, 2004, 02:43:37 AM EST

Thank you - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:05:55 AM EST

Usually people don't question those much - (tablizer) - Nov. 8, 2004, 11:47:03 PM EST

We've already been over change scenarios - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:25:46 AM EST

re: We've already been over change scenarios - (tablizer) - Nov. 8, 2004, 11:52:31 PM EST

"Orthogonal" in exactly the same sense as differential gears - (FuManChu) - (3) - Nov. 2, 2004, 01:23:35 PM EST

You just shortened this thread by 200 posts. Cut & Paste. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 2, 2004, 02:03:26 PM EST

"[Nobody] ...points out that the cut-and-paste method... - (FuManChu) - Nov. 2, 2004, 02:26:58 PM EST

No, you got me all wrong, dude - (tablizer) - Nov. 4, 2004, 10:46:13 PM EST

Repeat after me: - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:03:09 AM EST

I never said OO was JUST about inheritance. - (tablizer) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:36:44 AM EST

Amusing to note... - (JimWeirich) - (41) - Nov. 2, 2004, 12:52:46 PM EST

re: nouns and noun grouping - (tablizer) - (40) - Nov. 4, 2004, 11:36:55 PM EST

Bryce: control tables are bad - (admin) - (37) - Nov. 5, 2004, 12:06:15 AM EST

Time will erase performance differences - (tablizer) - (36) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:11:12 PM EST

That's not the main reason why they're bad. - (admin) - (35) - Nov. 5, 2004, 05:24:24 PM EST

Because VC tools are hierarchy-biased. - (tablizer) - (34) - Nov. 5, 2004, 08:05:42 PM EST

Go read the thread. - (admin) - (33) - Nov. 5, 2004, 09:19:45 PM EST

You always talk as if I push a grand conspiracy - (tablizer) - (32) - Nov. 5, 2004, 09:40:45 PM EST

Relational has its place. - (admin) - (31) - Nov. 5, 2004, 10:41:05 PM EST

Math and Boolean expressions - (tablizer) - (30) - Nov. 6, 2004, 12:22:20 AM EST

Ever use Zachary? - (admin) - (29) - Nov. 6, 2004, 12:09:32 PM EST

I will believe it only when I see it with my own eyes - (tablizer) - (28) - Nov. 8, 2004, 02:40:25 AM EST

- said the blind man (ducks and runs) -NT - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:23:42 AM EST

NO. - (admin) - (26) - Nov. 8, 2004, 09:26:39 AM EST

You never identified an in-born fault of tables. -NT - (tablizer) - (25) - Nov. 8, 2004, 11:55:08 PM EST

Tables don't make good chairs. - (Another Scott) - (24) - Nov. 9, 2004, 12:16:12 AM EST

Vacuum Tubes - (tablizer) - (23) - Nov. 20, 2004, 09:01:02 PM EST

You can pry my tube guitar amp outta my cold, dead fingers. - (Steve Lowe) - (22) - Nov. 21, 2004, 01:28:02 AM EST

Digital precision can be boring - (tablizer) - (18) - Nov. 22, 2004, 09:06:27 PM EST

Yes - tubes are IT man - (tuberculosis) - (17) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:54:19 AM EDT

Heh! That was my first bass amp! - (jb4) - (16) - Nov. 23, 2004, 07:04:01 PM EST

I don't know whether to be amused or appalled - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:56:00 AM EDT

Both actually - (jb4) - (14) - Nov. 30, 2004, 05:54:59 PM EST

In negotiations - (jake123) - (13) - Dec. 1, 2004, 12:17:12 AM EST

Drooooooooool - (Steve Lowe) - (12) - Dec. 1, 2004, 12:26:42 AM EST

Didn't get it - (jake123) - (11) - Dec. 3, 2004, 02:12:12 PM EST

Bum R! -NT - (jb4) - (10) - Dec. 3, 2004, 06:24:37 PM EST

Oh well. - (jake123) - (9) - Dec. 3, 2004, 07:29:55 PM EST

Talk to your amp tech - (Steve Lowe) - (8) - Dec. 4, 2004, 01:48:50 AM EST

Oh yeah - (jake123) - (1) - Dec. 4, 2004, 08:29:05 PM EST

Had a teacher who did that - (drewk) - Dec. 5, 2004, 11:22:11 AM EST

Re: Talk to your amp tech - (Ashton) - (5) - Dec. 6, 2004, 12:09:58 AM EST

What I'm gaining - (jake123) - (4) - Dec. 6, 2004, 11:59:46 AM EST

Have you considered an attenuator? - (Steve Lowe) - (3) - Dec. 6, 2004, 02:11:53 PM EST

Yes I have - (jake123) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2004, 02:49:16 PM EST

New thread time, maybe...? -NT - (admin) - Dec. 6, 2004, 02:56:13 PM EST

This might not cost a bundle.. (new thread) - (Ashton) - Dec. 6, 2004, 11:32:23 PM EST

Mesa Boogie Forever -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:54:14 AM EDT

That'll prolly be my second choice - (jake123) - Dec. 1, 2004, 09:14:47 AM EST

Feh! The Ultimate was... - (jb4) - Dec. 2, 2004, 06:09:36 PM EST

re: nouns and noun grouping - (JimWeirich) - (1) - Nov. 5, 2004, 12:53:18 AM EST

Can't do a whole lot with your hidden anecdotes - (tablizer) - Nov. 8, 2004, 02:49:14 AM EST

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