Was on the news here too. Sad to hear.

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'Popular' - well, of course. Glittering generality though, re whatever 'pop-music' might signify. But a step-change in originality, craftsmanship.. actual 'orchestra'-tion ie using Real Instruments! and not synthesized-pap. Then there were the movies and esp. Yellow Submarine etc. They grew from pranksters into a phenomenon that defies some trite slogan. Hey.. they even understood dynamic range .. imagine That!

The '60s - '70s were intertwined with Beatles; cross-pollination reflected, reinforced the social try-at revolution VS the stodgy establishment, whichever side of the pond. (Add Dylan for leavening; never mind the non-singing mumbling - call that, pre-rap rap.)

BB - there was execrable formulaic trivia; AB - there began to appear actual Thought, even in the $pop 'genre' - along with the formulaic bopper-trivia, natch. IMO.

Overrated -?- compared with What?
JS Bach - guilty. The Beach Boys.. Elvis.. ?
Peter, I wonder at your experience of the US pop vast-wasteland pre-Beatles.
How 'Rated' need you be - to change everything that followed?

ie I demur.

Post #181,137 by Meerkat 10/27/04 7:50:27 AM Reply	Was on the news here too. Sad to hear. You're right, he was responsible for more 'discoveries' than I'd even be able to hazard a guess at. I caught his show occasionally on the BBC online broadcast. Hmm.. no more Peel Sessions :( Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #181,224 by pwhysall 10/27/04 2:50:36 PM Reply	What sucks is that... ...many Americans are like “Who‘s John Peel?”, not realising the impact that the man‘s had on modern music. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #181,285 by Ashton 10/27/04 6:41:03 PM Reply	Probably true, but NPR did their best to recap (I knew only the least amount re Peel, but the list covered was formidable, even for those of us with little interest in most pop; then again, some would call the Beatles 'pop' .. so I see I don't know what that means, either.)
Post #181,346 by jake123 10/27/04 11:37:45 PM Reply	Um, the Beatles are Pop. what else would they be? --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #181,351 by pwhysall 10/27/04 11:49:14 PM Reply	Overrated. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #181,369 by Ashton 10/28/04 6:24:08 AM Reply	Neither of these two - in my lexicon. 'Popular' - well, of course. Glittering generality though, re whatever 'pop-music' might signify. But a step-change in originality, craftsmanship.. actual 'orchestra'-tion ie using Real Instruments! and not synthesized-pap. Then there were the movies and esp. Yellow Submarine etc. They grew from pranksters into a phenomenon that defies some trite slogan. Hey.. they even understood dynamic range .. imagine That! The '60s - '70s were intertwined with Beatles; cross-pollination reflected, reinforced the social try-at revolution VS the stodgy establishment, whichever side of the pond. (Add Dylan for leavening; never mind the non-singing mumbling - call that, pre-rap rap.) BB - there was execrable formulaic trivia; AB - there began to appear actual Thought, even in the $pop 'genre' - along with the formulaic bopper-trivia, natch. IMO. Overrated -?- compared with What? JS Bach - guilty. The Beach Boys.. Elvis.. ? Peter, I wonder at your experience of the US pop vast-wasteland pre-Beatles. How 'Rated' need you be - to change everything that followed? ie I demur.
Post #181,430 by jake123 10/28/04 12:08:30 PM Reply	Doesn't mean they're not a pop band. They are still a pop band. P'raps the best yet... but still pop. Any form of music can carry greatness, including pop. Sturgeon's law applies just as much to pop as it does to anything else... but that 10% is still great. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #181,434 by pwhysall 10/28/04 12:14:35 PM Reply	I have non-conventional musical taste. I think the Rolling Stones suck arse, too. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #181,441 by deSitter 10/28/04 12:34:57 PM Reply	I'll say - anything you <i>like</i>? The Beatles are filled with rich, interesting harmonies, putting in a rare class for pop music. The Stones are just raunchy rock - if you like it you like it, and most people do, because it's extremely well-made and passionately played. -drl
Post #181,461 by pwhysall 10/28/04 1:31:42 PM Reply	Gridlock. Die Form. Qntal. Sequentia. Fields Of The Nephilim. The Young Gods. Dick Dale. My Bloody Valentine. Astral Projection. Ozric Tentacles. Richie Hawtin. Joy Division. The Grid. Darkhalo. Soulfly. The Cure. Einstürzende Neubauten. The Orb. Motörhead. Amon Düül II. The Sisters Of Mercy. Godflesh. Fluke. New Model Army. Senser. Oh, yes. There‘s plenty I like. The anodyne droolings of Lennon/McCartney and Jagger/Richards doesn‘t do it for me. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #181,462 by deSitter 10/28/04 1:32:41 PM Reply	Dick Dale, Joy Division (New Order), Senser. I'll take'em -drl
Post #181,463 by pwhysall 10/28/04 1:34:40 PM Reply	Heresy! Joy Division != New Order Ian Curtis WAS Joy Division. What was left was New Order. /me burns you at the stake. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #181,469 by deSitter 10/28/04 1:49:24 PM Reply	That's what all punk aficionados say :) New Order was good too. -drl

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