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New Yes, that occurred to me, too.
After seeing Ben's post, I went looking in my dictionary, then went back and re-read the whole topic.

I think forgiveness is in the first instance more important to the forgiver, because it should represent something they are giving up: namely some sort of claim of redress on actions by another. The importance of forgiveness to the recpient is that the forgiver has intentionally foregone this claim and thus can proceed to interact with the forgiver largely as if the prior transgression had not occurred. If the recipient of forgiveness makes the same transgression, than they are abusing the forgiveness. This is likely to make the other party either reluctant to forgive, or completely prevent forgiveness until restitution is met.

Note that I don't believe forgiveness can be offered "instantly". Sometimes it may take a long time to forgive someone something.

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

New Maybe that's the real question? Who needs forgiveness more?
I say the forgiver.
You appear to think the forgiver also?
(at least before the forgivee needs it)
Someone else will say that it is situation dependent.

Maybe it all depends on the disposition of the individuals involved?

So what do you really think? Who needs forgiveness?!
New I think that is situational.
To put it another way: If I steal something from you as a result of a trust you had placed in me, then I need your forgiveness if I am to have that trust again. But you need to forgive if you want any benefits of giving me that trust. Now, if I do something against some random person whom I've never met before and am unlikely to encounter again - then I have little use for their forgiveness. But their forgiveness will enable them to enter the same situation with another stranger that I abused.

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

     Thoughts on forgiveness? - (Another Scott) - (45)
         Forgiveness vs restitution - (Brandioch)
         Forgiveness is wonderful; just get even first :) -NT - (hnick)
         Not a false distinction, but is it a worthwhile one? ;) - (tseliot) - (10)
             Yes, I wasn't thinking of legal issues. - (Another Scott) - (9)
                 Not a question of punishment, but of power imbalance - (tseliot) - (8)
                     Interesting historical context. Thanks. - (Another Scott)
                     Heh.. agonistic as in - (Ashton) - (2)
                         Honor - (tseliot) - (1)
                             Ah.. said well enough that - (Ashton)
                     Re: Sincerity & Forgiveness - (brettj) - (3)
                         Value to me? or to our imaginary 1st-century folk? - (tseliot) - (2)
                             Fascinating - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 Great! I don't mind disagreement... - (tseliot)
         Forgiveness is divine. - (brettj)
         A possible distinction. - (Ashton) - (1)
             reminds me an irish elephant - (boxley)
         The best example of how I think about forgiveness - (boxley) - (1)
             Thanks. - (Another Scott)
         I don't hold with forgiveness - (ben_tilly) - (20)
             Clartification... - (ChrisR) - (14)
                 All of the above - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                     Cheese! whats yer thoughts on TP up or down? :) -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                         You really want to know? - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                             Well small chirrun have the same effect - (boxley)
                     Not assigning fault and the relation to forgiveness. - (brettj) - (9)
                         I think you missed my point - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                             Re: I think you missed my point - (brettj) - (7)
                                 Um, not quite - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                                     Life is sorta like an onion - (brettj) - (5)
                                         I am mixed on the Asimov quote - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                             Karma? - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                 Which type of karma? - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                     Between the two, the latter. - (Ashton)
                                             Just being aware of the question is worthwhile. - (brettj)
             Thanks. And a little story. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                 To a woman yes - (boxley)
                 Put it this way... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                     Thanks. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                     Thanks for some lucid prose. - (Ashton)
         Compassionate feelings that support a willingness to forgive - (brettj) - (4)
             Another incentive for developing that - (Ashton)
             Yes, that occurred to me, too. - (static) - (2)
                 Maybe that's the real question? Who needs forgiveness more? - (brettj) - (1)
                     I think that is situational. - (static)
         My thoughts - (orion)

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