Post #179,540
10/16/04 10:11:59 AM
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Meet Warren Kinsella of the Canadian thought police
[link|http://noncogent.blogspot.com/2004/10/warren-kinsella-brat.html|He's not big on this whole free speech thing] (courtesy of Mike Brock)
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In what appears to be anything but a limited incident, with Kinsella also making legal threats against a couple of other blogs, Shamrocks and Babbling Brooks, for criticism which he considered defamation, I feel the definate need to come out to defend my fellow bloggers. In the case of Ian Scott (that's the author of Ianism), the threat of a law suit seems to stem from the following paragraph: See, this is sort of like a private journal here, Warren. Where I record lots of thoughts. I just make my thoughts available to others. And sometimes, when I've read your posts, I've secretly wondered, in a humorous sort of way of course, to myself, that makes me chuckle, "Were both your parents retarded, or just one of them..." but of course, that's a private little thought, and of course, I DON'T REALLY think either of your parents were retarded.. it's just one of those fun little insults that sometimes we laugh at. Insults CAN be funny at times. You should see my really really private journal sometime! You just wouldn't believe what was there.. But it's encrypted with triple DES.. I don't know, but I could do a search for you.. and see what I've called you there, if you'd like. As what has been made clear by Kinsella's younger brother Lorne, their father sadly passed away on June 15th, which apparently accounts for the extra-sensitivity of the Kinsella's for a joke about their parents, I can appreciate how such statements could be personally hurtful. What I don't see here is a legitimate case for defamation, especially coming from a guy who was a keynote speaker at a conference on blogging as a form of legitimate, participatory journalism... That being said, I?m going to go out on a limb here, backed with all that Brock-ego, and call Warren Kinsella a hypocrite. I?m calling him a hypocrite on the said basis; that he would leverage blogging as a legitimate form of journalism and editorialism, and then turn around and launch a defamation suit against a myriad of bloggers who have chosen to criticize him. If Mr. Kinsella wants to launch a defamation suit against me for any of this, then I'm ready to go to court and bang up some case law. I think it's time that we make clear in the law that bloggers share the same occupational right of protection from such frivolous suits as do printed editorialists. I think the Canadian polti-blogging community should come together and show a little solidarity on this issue. I believe the real victims here are these bloggers who are the subject of harassment by Warren Kinsella. If you have a blog, disagree with this, then here's an execuse for some daily filler: announce your solidarity with Ian! Mike Godwin says:
"The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban the other kind." I say:
I don't think they have the First Amendment in Canada. Or any sufficient facsimile thereof. Maybe they could try hosting services in the United States, coupled with use of pseudonyms. For a more radical and comprehensive solution, the English-speaking parts of Canada could quit pretending that Canada is a real country and join the U.S. Let Quebec figure out how to function without them. How's that for a secession movement? [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/#20041016|Angelfire link] (turn off Javascript to avoid popups)
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Post #179,541
10/16/04 11:00:06 AM
10/16/04 11:00:17 AM
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s/Warren Kinsela/Little Phil/ ; s/Canadian// ; s /po//
-drl
Edited by deSitter
Oct. 16, 2004, 11:00:17 AM EDT
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Post #179,544
10/16/04 12:04:27 PM
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First Amendment didn't help Indymedia
But then, I guess nicking the servers of lefty news organisations is OK as long as you do it in another country.
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Post #179,546
10/16/04 12:18:32 PM
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Needed those to run the website of Homeland Security
And (in my best Kerry impersonation) this administration underfunded that initiative.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #179,545
10/16/04 12:18:30 PM
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Ignorance, what a surprise.
From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms: 2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
a) freedom of conscience and religion; b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and d) freedom of association. You really are a narrow ignorant bigoted buffoon, aren't you little phil? Whats the matter? You still pissed because our politicians had the brains, foresight, and cojones to see where your Dear Leader's little foreign adventure/revenge fantasy was going to go and refusing to get involved?
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Post #179,552
10/16/04 2:23:47 PM
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Re: Ignorance, what a surprise.
except when discussing homosexuality from the pulpet, then jail terms. regards, daemon
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Post #179,553
10/16/04 2:27:10 PM
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What are you talking about?
The only way that might lead to jail terms would be if the guy advocated violence.
A homosexual standing on a fruit crate on a street corner and suggesting that all Catholics should be killed would get the same treatment.
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Post #179,554
10/16/04 2:38:37 PM
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thank you for making my point
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Post #179,556
10/16/04 3:41:32 PM
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How so?
Last time I checked, there were lots of countries that have various restrictions on speech, including the good ol' US of A.
That list also includes Israel.
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Post #179,640
10/17/04 6:28:34 PM
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No, it's a "human rights offense" regardless
Noe if, they just had a real First Amendment instead of some vague charter thingy, they wouldn't have to worry about [link|http://www.townhall.com/columnists/johnleo/jl20040412.shtml|this osrt of thing]
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A recent flurry of cases has mostly gone against free expression. The Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ruled that a newspaper ad listing biblical passages that oppose homosexuality was a human-rights offense. The commission ordered the paper and Hugh Owens, the man who placed the ad, to pay $1,500 each to three gay men who objected to it. In another case, a British Columbia court upheld the one-month suspension, without pay, of a high school teacher who wrote letters to a local paper arguing that homosexuality is not a fixed orientation but a condition that can and should be treated. The teacher, Chris Kempling, was not accused of discrimination, merely of expressing thoughts that the state defines as improper.
That anti-free-speech principle, social conservatives argue, will become explicit national policy under C-250, with criminal penalties attached. Religious groups say it would become risky for them to teach certain biblical passages. If a student says something that irritates homosexuals in class, the student's parents might be held legally liable. Some Canadians worry that, for instance, discussions about gay men giving blood will be suppressed. Robert Spitzer of Columbia University, a longtime supporter of gay rights and an important figure in the American Psychiatric Association, published a study finding that many gays can become heterosexual. Would that study be banned under C-250 as hate speech? And since C-250 does not mention homosexuality but focuses broadly on "sexual orientation," Canada's freewheeling judiciary may explicitly extend protection to many "sexual minorities." Pedophilia and sadism are among the conditions listed by the American Psychiatric Association under "sexual orientation."
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Post #179,648
10/17/04 8:08:00 PM
10/18/04 6:11:54 AM
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Shut the fsck up you communist drone
-drl
Edited by deSitter
Oct. 18, 2004, 06:11:54 AM EDT
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Post #179,653
10/17/04 8:15:15 PM
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No...thats mmoffitt ;-)
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Post #179,669
10/17/04 9:17:10 PM
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Gazza Ladra..
.. at least we know what it is MM would wish to Conserve, unlike certain polycarping apologists for status-quo. ;-)
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Post #179,838
10/18/04 6:22:16 PM
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No Moffit is a Communist
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Post #179,879
10/18/04 8:48:25 PM
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Duh. Thats what I said ;-)
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Post #180,051
10/19/04 6:01:38 PM
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Difference big C little c
One is an idealogue the other is a useful idiot. regards, daemon
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Post #179,655
10/17/04 8:25:18 PM
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C-250 huh?
Well, that's the legislation that your crowd up here (reform -> alliance -> new conservative party) is all over because it doesn't repress freedom of expression enough.
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Post #179,637
10/17/04 6:12:49 PM
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Ah, so there's no possibility of lawsuit, then?
Somebody better tell Mr. Kinsella that.
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Post #179,644
10/17/04 7:38:25 PM
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Who said anything about no possibility of a lawsuit?
Those two things are not related. You could sue me because I'm here saying Marlowe is a Moron of the Finest Water, but it doesn't mean you'd win.
Kinsella can try to sue if he wants, but if he listens to his lawyer, he won't, because he has equal opportunity to rebut their arguments and put forward his opinion. All he'll be accomplishing is enriching his lawyer and making himself look a fool, not that he hasn't done so already.
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