Re: I think the difference

Post #178,467 by deSitter 10/8/04 1:11:19 PM Reply	Re: I think the difference It was obvious to me as early as January (perhaps earlier) that we were going to invade Iraq come hell or high water. All the lame fronting for the UN, Congress, and the public was just a load of BS. This is consistent with the reports that Iraq was on the minds of the Conmen from the first days of the administration, way before 9/11 or the intelligence rumblings that foreshadowed it. -drl
Post #178,474 by bepatient 10/8/04 2:10:15 PM Reply	Dude... ..it was on the minds of every administration since the first war. The difference is in what "we the people" would accept as a response. That changed during this administration. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #178,484 by Silverlock 10/8/04 3:11:26 PM Reply	Accept? Riight. I seem to remember a little thing like the largest demonstrations in the history of the planet. "Accept" my ass. The rush to war over the objections of pretty much the entire world was a manufactured, jingoistic, media enabled con job. Your revisionism isn't going to hold water. Too many remember the actual events. ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #178,494 by bepatient 10/8/04 4:11:28 PM Reply	You want to go back to the data? Just becasue we had some folks wandering the streets doesn't make them the majority. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #178,495 by Silverlock 10/8/04 4:18:53 PM Reply	ROFL Folks wandering the streets. Your revisionism is showing again. ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #178,497 by mmoffitt 10/8/04 4:23:10 PM Reply	Dontcha know? Those weren't "Real Americans" "Real Americans" ~~blindly follow~~ have the good sense to know when their ~~fuhrer~~ President is doing the Right Thing. bcnu, Mikem "The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism." -Ted Grant
Post #178,500 by bepatient 10/8/04 4:37:56 PM Reply	Didn't say that. Their patriotism is as strong as everyone else's. I don't play that game. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #178,504 by bepatient 10/8/04 4:53:51 PM Reply	Guess you missed the subtlety. Yes there were alot of people protesting. Half a million in some locations. That still doesn't make the protesters a majority. Approval ratings were still over 60% up to and through the invasion of Iraq. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #178,590 by Ashton 10/9/04 3:29:17 AM Reply	So then.. a "significant march" needs 51% of the population not to be, "just a buncha people marching".. Would that be 51% of those eligible to vote? 51% of those registered.. 51% of those who actually do vote (say, on a Good day)? What about a mere 50%. Would 10% Actually in the Streets - mean anything at all? 11%? I do so love bookkeeping data to 3.00 digits as overrides any concept of the significant. So did Geo. Boole (he thought his little algebra might "facilitate human discussion!") Hah - a computer-mind from pre-VisiCalc.. but so modern. (I doubt they had MBAs in his day though: +3.66 points?)
Post #178,597 by bepatient 10/9/04 9:30:02 AM 10/9/04 9:30:37 AM Reply	Well...sweeping generalizations... ...generally require at least a statistical backing in reality. Too bad the afformentioned sweeping generalizations didn't have that basis in reality. Most only means most when its 51% or better...but what can be expected from those who praise others without a grasp on is. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient] Edited by bepatient Oct. 9, 2004, 09:30:37 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #178,635 by Silverlock 10/9/04 4:53:31 PM Reply	Excellent parsing. So if the propoganda works and some of your population gets swept up in the jingoistic rush to war then, because people believed lies that were told with full knowledge of the truth, it is now the will of the poeple to invade a country that never attacked us and had no capability to do so. You said something in an earlier post- The difference is in what "we the people" would accept as a response. That changed during this administration. So it's ok to go to war if 51% approve? I think we have reached the crux of our disagreement. ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #178,640 by bepatient 10/9/04 6:40:58 PM Reply	No... earlier is the crux of the disagreement. Your statement that the information and intel prior to the war was known to be false. Which means that you believe the governments of some 40 countries withheld information that only came out after. Which means you believe that this was the greatest conspiricy in the history of the world. I want some...pass it over :-p If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #178,642 by Silverlock 10/9/04 7:55:56 PM Reply	What is this 40 countries talking point? And when did you hear Rush spout it? ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #178,644 by bepatient 10/9/04 8:02:42 PM Reply	Well I rounded up a couple. Over 30 countries supported the action we took. The entire Security Council of the UN continued to vote resolutions into place because of Sadam's weapons programs that we >knew categorically didn't exist< (according to you). This is really fabulous Monday Morning qb stuff. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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