Ha that is so rich

Post #177,694 by deSitter 10/4/04 2:53:48 PM Reply	Ha that is so rich Sacrifice system tightness in the interest of laziness. OK fine. Yeah. Right. -drl
Post #177,698 by pwhysall 10/4/04 2:58:42 PM Reply	"System tightness" means nothing... ...because the system is there to do precisely one thing: Get The Job Done. If you sacrifice that on the altar of "system tightness", then you have failed as an admin. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #177,704 by folkert 10/4/04 3:10:56 PM Reply	I don't think you under stand. Right off the BAT, you prove you are inferior at administration. You cannot use the tools provided, or work with them to make you life easier. You once asked me why I nearly always take the Road less easily taken. I didn;t care to answer it then. I sorta will now. Well, you don't seem to understand, when I take the road less taken, it IS for a reason. Those reasons might be anywhere from; just because I have the ability to, or Maybe, just maybe I am taking the long-term easy way out. I'll let you try to understand why I as a very Seasoned Senior Network and Systems Analyst to the routes I do. I'll tell you one thing, it isn't becuse Microsoft has forced me. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #177,725 by ben_tilly 10/4/04 4:20:08 PM Reply	And why not? Your "tightness" is an artificial aesthetic value of yours. Unless you can translate it into a value someone else cares about, it deserves to be sacrificed if it conflicts with any value that people care more about. By contrast "takes less work" is a value that is very real and has directly measurable consequences. That which takes less work is more likely to happen. Costs less to do. And frees people's time so that they can focus on more important things. Sure, you might waste some system resources. Do I care? Should I care? No. Not if those system resources cost less than the time saved. The one thing that I should care about is whether time and energy saved now will cost me more later. If you can demonstrate that then you have a point. But if you can't, then it is clear to me how little value I should place on system "tightness". Cheers, Ben About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra

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