Well...I kind of expect them to do it too, nowadays.

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Post #176,225 by bepatient 9/24/04 1:56:02 PM Reply	Well...I kind of expect them to do it too, nowadays. Unfortunately. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #176,231 by mmoffitt 9/24/04 2:15:57 PM Reply	That, my friend, is owed exclusively to a Republican. Richard Nixon, to be exact. He, head and shoulders above all who came before him and will ever follow him, shattered the myths of honesty and decency most Muricans had about their government. bcnu, Mikem "The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism." -Ted Grant
Post #176,235 by Another Scott 9/24/04 2:34:26 PM Reply	Ross, is that you? ;-j Honesty and decency in the US government has been an illusion since its founding. E.g. [link\|http://www.oldnewspublishing.com/burr.htm\|Hamilton and Burr]. I don't think Nixon was around in 1804. Cheers, Scott.
Post #176,239 by ChrisR 9/24/04 2:42:01 PM Reply	Besides, we shouldn't blindly trust those that govern us. Which means Nixon probably did us a favour by reminding us. :-) I wonder whether I'm alone in believing that our government is potentially more dangerous to us, as they impact our lives much more directly. The enemy excels at randomly killing people here and there (sometimes in large numbers) but they haven't had much success beyond that.
Post #176,244 by deSitter 9/24/04 3:04:33 PM Reply	Well that's mighty cynical I'd say, oh, the Wilson or Roosevelt regime were a damn sight closer to a summer day than a season in hell. -drl
Post #176,247 by bepatient 9/24/04 3:17:10 PM Reply	I was talking about the press, goof. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

He must be lying - (bepatient) - (53) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:22:27 AM EDT

No, not necessarily. - (jake123) - (40) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:25:36 AM EDT

Do we want to compare.. - (bepatient) - (39) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:28:11 PM EDT

That comparison means nothing to the issue - (jake123) - (6) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:52:52 PM EDT

And if we are in and out - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 23, 2004, 02:15:38 PM EDT

Well, the US could leave tomorrow - (jake123) - (4) - Sept. 26, 2004, 04:04:11 AM EDT

Agree re: Afghan. -NT - (bepatient) - (3) - Sept. 26, 2004, 10:09:46 AM EDT

There's a very good article in the October Atlantic - (jake123) - (2) - Sept. 26, 2004, 12:52:15 PM EDT

If that's your paraphrase of the article - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 26, 2004, 05:46:25 PM EDT

Not entirely - (jake123) - Sept. 26, 2004, 08:24:39 PM EDT

Wow. - (mmoffitt) - (31) - Sept. 23, 2004, 02:53:40 PM EDT

Are we? - (bepatient) - (30) - Sept. 23, 2004, 04:19:28 PM EDT

What crap. -NT - (Silverlock) - (27) - Sept. 23, 2004, 04:22:49 PM EDT

Really? - (bepatient) - (25) - Sept. 23, 2004, 06:44:43 PM EDT

!!SHUN!! - (jb4) - (12) - Sept. 23, 2004, 07:07:30 PM EDT

Look at the progression. - (bepatient) - (11) - Sept. 23, 2004, 07:27:00 PM EDT

Devil's advocate can sometimes work. But when this - (Ashton) - (10) - Sept. 24, 2004, 02:37:30 AM EDT

Since when.. - (bepatient) - (9) - Sept. 24, 2004, 06:42:50 AM EDT

How lofty.. to find the Beginnings now 'Irrelevant' - (Ashton) - (8) - Sept. 25, 2004, 01:09:47 AM EDT

Has it or has it not already occurred? - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 25, 2004, 06:40:23 AM EDT

Since you seem to have stepped out of the debbil's advocate - (Ashton) - Sept. 26, 2004, 02:08:35 AM EDT

"Ridiculous"? Really... - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Sept. 27, 2004, 10:26:09 AM EDT

Right. - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 27, 2004, 12:06:12 PM EDT

Yep. We'll prolly still be there in 2009. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Sept. 27, 2004, 12:08:35 PM EDT

Well prep for the question then. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 27, 2004, 12:11:41 PM EDT

Dream --> on. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 28, 2004, 03:46:12 AM EDT

Aerosmith ROX dude -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 28, 2004, 07:59:27 AM EDT

The crap is your "heartfelt" concern. - (Silverlock) - (2) - Sept. 24, 2004, 10:00:46 AM EDT

I'm not drinking the kool-aid dude. - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2004, 11:37:08 AM EDT

There's the Pollyanna I know. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 24, 2004, 12:02:02 PM EDT

o0o0 what wonderful proof... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - Sept. 24, 2004, 12:47:32 PM EDT

Can find some wonderful things.. - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 24, 2004, 12:53:47 PM EDT

Yep...that's why no many are ticked at Dan Rather - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - Sept. 24, 2004, 01:41:00 PM EDT

Well...I kind of expect them to do it too, nowadays. - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 24, 2004, 01:56:02 PM EDT

That, my friend, is owed exclusively to a Republican. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Sept. 24, 2004, 02:15:57 PM EDT

Ross, is that you? - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 24, 2004, 02:34:26 PM EDT

Besides, we shouldn't blindly trust those that govern us. - (ChrisR) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2004, 02:42:01 PM EDT

Well that's mighty cynical - (deSitter) - Sept. 24, 2004, 03:04:33 PM EDT

I was talking about the press, goof. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 24, 2004, 03:17:10 PM EDT

oops - (bepatient) - Sept. 23, 2004, 06:48:25 PM EDT

I seem to recall an issue with the mass graves in Iraq.... - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 23, 2004, 06:24:43 PM EDT

Hey, if you're Sunni... - (jb4) - Sept. 23, 2004, 07:02:08 PM EDT

I hope he is successful... - (ChrisR) - (7) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:45:04 AM EDT

We're blind men describing an elephant. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:57:18 AM EDT

Russia exists for thousand yrs - Iraq not a country at all -NT - (deSitter) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:58:36 AM EDT

Not exactly. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:17:26 PM EDT

Russia as we know it is a colonial empire - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:30:45 PM EDT

Scary and racist thought. - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:58:54 AM EDT

Absoultely - (deSitter) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:10:27 PM EDT

Excellent summation! Kudos. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 23, 2004, 06:35:53 PM EDT

No, the IRAQ elections will be held on time... - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:54:35 PM EDT

We'll see if he lives that long - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:42:43 PM EDT

Some elections will be held - (JayMehaffey) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:49:36 PM EDT

This will be just as meaningful as the "handover" -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 23, 2004, 03:08:45 PM EDT

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