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New It's those kwazy Chechyens
They want to be free of Russia. Again there is an admixture of Islam and nationalism.

-drl
New Part of the problem is defining "They"
In the Che Guevara scheme of things, it is said you only need a dozen hard core militants to start a revolution. It's likely that there are Chechens who side with the Russians, there are Chechens that participate in the guerilla war, there are Chechens who somewhat sympathize with independence, and there are Chechens who just want to go on with their lives (which is probably the majority). Problem is that these groups all blend together, events cause the lines to shift and be gray, and it can be near impossible to distinguish friend from foe.

Personally I think kidnapping and killing athletes, journalists, and children, and blowing up buses and airplanes, crosses a line where I lose sympathy for any cause which you may wish to put on the agenda. But the radical Palestinians have been practicing these tactics for years and they seem to constantly garner attention and sympathy from their neighbors and the world at large. So I suppose that just means we'll see more and more of this stuff.

Non-violence as a strategy seems to have failed to taken hold.
New Agreed
There was not a little of that in the birth of Israel - or Ireland. Was Begin a terrorist? Probably. Was Michael Collins?
-drl
New or closer to home
George Washington? The Brits probably thought so at the time.

Strange how half the world is seeing borders become more and more fuzzy, whilst the other half wants to carve itself into smaller and smaller pieces.
New Washington? No way! MY heroes are nae terrierists!
-drl
New Hard to say
By mondern standards our revolutionary war was fairly clean. But there where atrocities on both sides. On the British side it was mostly the non-British mercenaries, who where interested in picking up as much loot as the could as they went. On the American side it was mostly beatings of loyalists and torching of their farms and houses.

Jay
New The reason Palestineans get sympathy.
It's called "guilt". We didn't want the Jews, so we gave them Palestine. We still feel (deeply suppressed I'll grant) guilty about that.

bcnu,
Mikem

"I declare war to the death on dominant nation chauvinism. I shall eat it with all my healthy teeth as soon as I get rid of this accursed bad tooth."
V.I. Lenin
     About the hostage situation in Russia - (Arkadiy) - (56)
         I've been really concerned about this issue - (Nightowl) - (2)
             Nope -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                 Some good news - (Nightowl)
         Condolences. - (Ashton)
         I just heard about this and had the same thought. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
             The answer is in - (Arkadiy) - (19)
                 Oh, God. Words fail. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                     I agree - (Nightowl)
                 What did they want? - (tuberculosis) - (14)
                     It's those kwazy Chechyens - (deSitter) - (6)
                         Part of the problem is defining "They" - (ChrisR) - (5)
                             Agreed - (deSitter) - (3)
                                 or closer to home - (ChrisR) - (2)
                                     Washington? No way! MY heroes are nae terrierists! -NT - (deSitter)
                                     Hard to say - (JayMehaffey)
                             The reason Palestineans get sympathy. - (mmoffitt)
                     What they need. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                         Re: What they need. - (deSitter) - (4)
                             Two reasons - (Arkadiy)
                             It wouldn't stop with Chechnya (19kB .gif) - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 Finally the truth. It's about the oil! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                             No, it wouldn't be "right". But, then, ... - (mmoffitt)
                         And then the West Bank? And Tikrit? - (marlowe)
                 Another update - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                     Re: Another update - (Nightowl)
         Somebody has to say these, may as well be me - (marlowe) - (28)
             Two things I disagree with - (Nightowl) - (10)
                 172716/172736 - (rcareaga) - (3)
                     Sorry - (Nightowl) - (2)
                         You misunderstand - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Ah, sorry about that - (Nightowl)
                 I'll grant 4a, given latest info, but stand firm on 5 - (marlowe) - (5)
                     "painkillers are addictive" - (jb4) - (3)
                         Tell that to the Democrats, Islamists and the Left. - (marlowe) - (2)
                             What about Chechnya? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 A proposal from S. Frederick Starr - (Another Scott)
                     Re: I'll grant 4a, given latest info, but stand firm on 5 - (Nightowl)
             Speaking of cheap talk - (ChrisR)
             Exercise for Marlowe. - (pwhysall) - (15)
                 You forgot to tell him... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                     Well then, that only leaves - (Ashton)
                 It's very simple, once you decide not to complicate it - (marlowe) - (12)
                     If it's very simple, provide the answer. - (pwhysall)
                     Sounds nice... - (GBert) - (10)
                         OT: Panhandler Joe, is that you? - (Another Scott) - (9)
                             Nope. thats not p-joey -NT - (bepatient) - (4)
                                 Saw the ;-j right? I know he's not; just reminded me of PJ. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                 PJ is Imric, and Imric is PJ, no? Gainfully employed now -NT - (deSitter) - (2)
                                     back when he was wineing a lot :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                         Hey, things were bad! -NT - (imric)
                             Hey hey hey! - (Panhandler Joe) - (1)
                                 :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                             No, that's "the Italian Stallion" - ciao whinny! -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                 Ciao, good buddy - (GBert)
         At least 322 dead, al-Qaeda linked group claims responsib. - (Another Scott)
         Claimed purpose was to start regional war. - (Another Scott)

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