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New Hope...is... on ....the ...way...
that... I ... can... suppress... gag... reflex... longer... 40 year old remembers Jim Crow... FREE MONEY except for evil 2%... World will love us again... Squandered our chance to play martyr for all it's worth... Mekong Delta - say it with me over and over and over and over... Had we not gone ALONE the world would like us (maybe the Eastern Block countries would like us a little more if these ass clowns would show them a little credit and respect for sending their sons and daughters to fight ALONE with us? hmmm????)

Ralphing... sensation... getting stronger.... ohhhhh... wait... He's ... he's done... nooooooo! shit.... Mekong Delta... John F. Kerry blahblahblahblah...

Maybe we need to send aid to Boston. I've never seen so many double digit IQ's gathered in one place at one time and don't suspect I will for another couple of weeks :-)

Did I mention, I hate election years...
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New Some delegation chair voted for "John Fitzgerald Kerry" :-/
New holy cran that is bad
When will these dweebs wake up? I think the thing that repels voters is their transparent lack of contact with reality. Even the manifest evils of Bushco are preferable to them. All Edwards did was recite a wish list, issue a greeting card. "For a special country..." in unctuous script.
-drl
New anything is possible in america
even electing a fucktard as president.
we even give you a choice
thanx,
bill
Anchorage AK: House for sale 3 bed 1 bath 1440 sq feet huge lot near Cheney Lake 175K FSBO 813.273.3518
I wondered what Darwinian moment had to effect itself before we devolved from children flying paper flags in the sky to half formed creatures thundering in a wall of horns down the road to Roncevaux. James Lee Burke
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New LRPD? I vote yes (if I voted)
Box writes "Re: anything is possible in america - even electing a fucktard as president. we even give you a choice".

Well spoken, Bill...

My brother must be rolling like a rotisserie chicken in his grave right now. It seems that the same ass clowns that labled him a "baby killer" and spat on him when he got back from being shot at, shot and wasted his entire life in despair with drugs and alcohol just thinking about Viet Nam - now think he's a hero! This is the "party of miracles". I'm going to psychically (word? sp?) communicate with bro and tell him, "hope is on the way"...

Did I mention that I hate election years?
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New Re: LRPD? I vote yes (if I voted)
Can understand the sentiment, but..

I think the "baby killers" thing is highly exaggerated. I rather doubt that wave after wave of returning vets were singled out this way. Somehow this has become folk wisdom and I'd like to know how...

And the fake open arms offered the vets now is just as exaggerated. The most hellish war in our history was Korea, which went on and on and on in a meat-grinding stalemate, constant bombardments, trench living, freezing cold, bad rations, total isolation. There are no open arms for them - only cuts in their benefits.
-drl
New want to understand Korea?
[link|http://www.bookfinder.us/review8/0880642378.html|http://www.bookfinde...8/0880642378.html] best account I have ever read
thanx,
bill
Anchorage AK: House for sale 3 bed 1 bath 1440 sq feet huge lot near Cheney Lake 175K FSBO 813.273.3518
I wondered what Darwinian moment had to effect itself before we devolved from children flying paper flags in the sky to half formed creatures thundering in a wall of horns down the road to Roncevaux. James Lee Burke
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New You need to read about WWI
though of course you guys missed most of it. Makes Korea look like a walk in the park.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Not for us
We were only in it about a year, and never got bogged down.
-drl
New We were in both for the full haul
trust me, Korea's got nothing on WWI. Read about Ypres sometime; a textbook example of why hereditary military command is a bad idea.

In fact, it was so bad that the Canadian army took command away from the Brits and gave it to one of their own, the brilliant and flawed Currie. He led the Canadians to many victories, but his junior status to Haig meant that he often ended up having to shovel his troops into the furnace of battle with no hope.

I found an interesting juxtaposition online, showing Passchendaele before and after the battle there in 1917:

[link|http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Image:Passchendaele_aerial_view.jpg|http://www.wordiq.co...e_aerial_view.jpg]

That took a total of something like eight hours to accomplish.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Re: LRPD? I vote yes (if I voted)
DRL,
Don't know about the waves and waves. Just know about my brother, personally. It happened to him and many of his vet friends. Go to a DAV or VFW hall some night and ask them if they know how this folk wisdom got started. err... Better not, on second thought, you're probably not able to run real fast right now... :-)

He got the treatment (maybe even a little from me). In other words, there probably does exist a bit of "folk wisdom" involved for some - not this case, though.

In any case, you do see the irony here? It would be like if Hillary Clinton would get up and try to bring up Health Care as an election issue.

Hope...is..on...the...way...
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New 40 year old remembers Jim Crow
If you're referring to Edwards, he's 51, not 40. I'm also 51, for another few days. I remember Jim Crow, and I lived in Southern California, not South Carolina. So what's your problem here?
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New dont you mean jaime cuervo?
Anchorage AK: House for sale 3 bed 1 bath 1440 sq feet huge lot near Cheney Lake 175K FSBO 813.273.3518
I wondered what Darwinian moment had to effect itself before we devolved from children flying paper flags in the sky to half formed creatures thundering in a wall of horns down the road to Roncevaux. James Lee Burke
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New ha, ha
No, box. Thanks to a socially conscious 4th grade teacher our little minds were kept abreast, that 1961-62 school year, of events in the old Confederacy—dogs, fire hoses. That's not to say we were aware that the San Fernando Valley of the time, certainly lily-white in our northwest quadrant of it, enjoyed the blessings of de facto segregation.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, etc.
[link|http://www.nps.gov/malu/documents/jim_crow_laws.htm|http://www.nps.gov/m...jim_crow_laws.htm] which is pretty amazing.

A sampling "The Blind - The board of trustees shall...maintain a separate building...on separate ground for the admission, care, instruction, and support of all blind persons of the colored or black race. Louisiana" Even people who don't know (at least can't SEE) that they are black...

I guess it's very possible that he could remember Jim Crow growing up in South Carolina at a young (and impressionable) age. Somehow, I thought he was younger. Didn't get a chance to watch his Biography or any of the other cult classic mythology as I have two young kids at home competing for my time.

I was wrong...

What's really amazing to me as an outside observer to this whole process is how cultlike this whole process is. Having watched Kerry last night (who I'm mildly impressed with), it seemed that hope really is on the way. You see, American people "want to be told the truth!" (Ashton, you paying attention?). Guess who has the Truth? And a kinder and gentler machine gun hand to boot?

Ah.... the noise. I actually feel sorry for non-democratic countries - they miss out on the "material" every four years - Ass clowns on parade... Hup 2, 3, 4.

Hi ho. And so on...


Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New the cult: this just in
Sociologists and political scientists recently announced the discovery of a "mass-movement" psychology which, if verified by further research and analysis, bids fair to account for the tendency of the Teeming Millions to project their hopes, desires, anxieties, etc. onto so-called "public figures."

People drink the Kool-Aid. You knew that already. It's not a Republican-Democrat thing: the administration's party will presently mount such demonstrations on behalf of its Dear Leader as might cause the cheeks of a Caesar or a pharaoh to redden for very shame. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time, although the regime at present in power seems to have brought the Cult of the Commander-in-Chief to a pitch not hitherto approached among the notional Anglo-Saxons since the wet dreams of Charles II.

If permitted to be elected (if I felt certain that it would be a fair fight, i.e., the election conducted with neither widespread purging of the voter rolls, nor Republican operatives garbed in SWATlike attire arrayed for purposes of intimidation at selected polling places, nor Diebold-like chicanery—"the dog ate my election"—I would be prepared to bet on a substantial Kerry victory) JK is obviously not going to be, as some of his giddier partisans assume, the combined second comings of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Kennedy, Caesar Augustus, St. Francis of Assisi, Pope John XXIII and Sergeant York. That he will necessarily fall short of these inflated expectations, and that the Washington press corps, those corrupt and jaded courtiers, will give him a hard time for this purported failure beginning by next February 1 ought not astonish the grownups among us. I recently looked in on Kevin Drum's blog, wherein he had posed the question of whether a Bush victory this November might not be preferable, since the regime would then be obliged to clean up its own messes. Scores of responses made the obvious point that BushCo II wouldn't waste a heartbeat surveying the wreckage to date, but would rather commence with trebled energy and dedication to producing more of same.

I have no unrealistic expectations of a Kerry presidency, and will not fault him if he fails to produce the Earthly Paradise. It will suffice for him to cease breaking up the joint, something it is clear the incumbent has no intention of leaving off. Anything else is gravy.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Others had similar thoughts about the advantage of Bush win.
[link|http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/07/27/unions_might_be_better_off_with_kerry_loss_leader_says/|David Broder] opinion column:

Breaking sharply with the enforced harmony of the Democratic National Convention, the president of the largest AFL-CIO union said yesterday that both organized labor and the Democratic Party might be better off in the long run if Senator John F. Kerry loses the presidential election.

Andrew Stern, head of the 1.6-million-member Service Employees International Union, or SEIU, said in an interview with The Washington Post that both the party and its longtime ally, the labor movement, are "in deep crisis," devoid of new ideas, and working with archaic structures.

Stern contended that another four years of Bush policies might be less damaging than the stifling of needed reform he said would occur if Kerry becomes president.


He subsequently "clarified" or "revised and extended" his remarks...

He's got a point. If liberals/progressives/whatever feel that they have no choice but vote for Kerry, then they'll have little clout with a Kerry administration (in the same way, as Bush pointed out, as African-Americans are taken for granted). And if Kerry wins, people will argue, "Hey we won! We don't need to change anything!"


I'm rather pessimistic about the election this time around. I agree with [link|http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/07/30/rushed_speech_lost_opportunity/|Tom Oliphant] that Kerry blew a great opportunity (the speech was rushed, it was too poorly edited, etc.), but he did a passable job I guess. Kerry didn't offer any specifics about how he was going to all the wonderful things he wants to do, but I didn't expect any in that setting. We'll see if he starts taking a real position on things like Iraq, or just continues to hope that he'll be elected as ABB. I have not warmed to Kerry and I don't know if I will.

It seems to me that Kerry should be a lot more than [link|http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm|3 points] ahead at this point. Bush is vulnerable, but Kerry seems unwilling to take a stand on Iraq or trade or the budget or the coming crisis due to baby boomer retirement or ... other than to say he'd do a better job because he spent 5 months in Vietnam 35 years ago while Bush didn't.

I don't like his and Edwards' crying about "negative attacks" either. Give me positive attacks! :-/ It sounds like they're afraid of the schoolyard bullies or something.

(I'm tempted mention "ass clowns" and insert Danno's closing here...)

[link|http://www.seattlewebcrafters.com/php/countdown.php|154 days to go] - I'll let Ashton keep track of the hours. ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New fuzzy calendar
154 days to the election? I make it closer to ninety and change. Or are these folks privy to some DHS "emergency" planning the rest of us haven't heard about?

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Sacre Blue! A bug! 93+ days according to HP-41CX
:-)

That web link actually says -153 days till election day at the moment. There seems to be a bug in that [link|http://www.seattlewebcrafters.com/php/countdown_code.html|PHP code].

[link|http://helios-arts.com/clock.html|This] active election count-down clock seems accurate.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Sacre Blue! etc
Could it be (since you have the trusty HP handy) that they are counting down to the actual (devoutly to be hoped) earliest date for regime change, i.e., 20 January?

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Not as I read the code.
// Get server timestamp
$today = time();

// Get number of days from today until the end of this year
$rest_of_year = date('z', mktime(0,0,0,12,31,date('Y', $today))) - date('z', $today);

// Get number of days from the 1st of 2004 to election day
$election = date('z', mktime(0,0,0,11,2,2004));

// Add the days remaining in this year to the number of days in 2004 prior to election day
$countdown = $rest_of_year + $election;


It seems clear enough that they're making a mistake in the calculation.

I think it should be:

$countdown = $election - ($length_of_year - $rest_of_year);

or more simply:

$countdown = $election - $today;

(where $length_of_year is calculated using the date function).

Checking:

July 31 is the 213th day of the year, so 153 days remain (leap year and all that) in the year. Election day is November 2, 306 days from the start of the year and 59 days from the end of the year, so the net is 153 - 59 = 94 days (or 93+ days). To get -153 days, they must have taken 153 - 306 days.

The coder apparently got mixed up in knowing whether s/he was counting from the first or the end of the year.

Or something like that.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Duh
Days between dates is a trivial problem - julday(date2) - julday(date1) - how is it possible to mess this up?
-drl
New A triumph of algorithm VS adding a few months' days in head
New Some of us have regressed to ~ 2nd grade in maths. :-(
New Gracias a los Dioses Corporativos cha cha
Tsk tsk O wretchedly disappointed one - that there Are Murican 'lection years, and that the showcases arranged to meet fully, the simplistic, contradictory and lugubrious Hopes of the consumptive-mass -- try to give give the impression that The President juuust..might.. repair Augean Stables full of compressed horseshit ... :-0
(despite a Corp-purchased and disciplined Other Two Estates and Outright-bizness-owned 4th Estate).

Welcome to Dudgeon City, just Outta Weave, Dodge and abutting I'm OK; You're OK Corral. New dude in these parts?

C'mon Dan - Shocked SHOCKED! that none of this crap has changed since Pat Nixon's Republican cloth coat, are we, bunky?

But then, a few years in Catechism City could have a suggestible One convinced that there is No Difference Whatsoever twixt these two icons of that One Party, fueled by the common greed. Pshaw.




Wanna buy an obsolete 'Constitution'-thingie real cheap?
Bill / Rights + habeas corpus -- tossed in for NET 30.
Grudge Sale by bemused former owners.



We have not had a Republican ex-president since Eisenhower who did not get a pardon or give one to his predecessor or staff.
via Silverlock
     Hope...is... on ....the ...way... - (danreck) - (24)
         Some delegation chair voted for "John Fitzgerald Kerry" :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - (9)
             holy cran that is bad - (deSitter) - (8)
                 anything is possible in america - (boxley) - (7)
                     LRPD? I vote yes (if I voted) - (danreck) - (6)
                         Re: LRPD? I vote yes (if I voted) - (deSitter) - (5)
                             want to understand Korea? - (boxley)
                             You need to read about WWI - (jake123) - (2)
                                 Not for us - (deSitter) - (1)
                                     We were in both for the full haul - (jake123)
                             Re: LRPD? I vote yes (if I voted) - (danreck)
         40 year old remembers Jim Crow - (rcareaga) - (12)
             dont you mean jaime cuervo? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 ha, ha - (rcareaga)
             Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, etc. - (danreck) - (9)
                 the cult: this just in - (rcareaga) - (8)
                     Others had similar thoughts about the advantage of Bush win. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                         fuzzy calendar - (rcareaga) - (6)
                             Sacre Blue! A bug! 93+ days according to HP-41CX - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                 Re: Sacre Blue! etc - (rcareaga) - (4)
                                     Not as I read the code. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                         Duh - (deSitter)
                                         A triumph of algorithm VS adding a few months' days in head -NT - (Ashton) - (1)
                                             Some of us have regressed to ~ 2nd grade in maths. :-( -NT - (Another Scott)
         Gracias a los Dioses Corporativos cha cha - (Ashton)

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