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New Innovations in Internet Explorer?
Stating the obvious, [link|http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/16/29FElonghorn_1.html?s=feature|Udell opines in Info]:

Avalon makes no use of Web standards such as XHTML, CSS, or SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) and indeed invents its own counterparts to these. .... Microsoft is doing nothing to improve Internet Explorer's support for DOM, CSS, SVG, or other standard ways to enrich the browser.


No innovation, much less standardization, can be expected coming from the monolith. Capturing 95% market share has made them lazy.
New What's it been, 7 yrs? - and DisInfoWorld is still at it :-(
[link|mailto:jon_udell@infoworld.com;letters@infoworld.com|Jon Udell] writes:
The proof is still years away. But given the ambitious scope of the project, it's not too soon to consider how Longhorn will affect the vast majority of enterprises deeply invested in both Windows and the Web.
Yes, it is too soon for that.

What these as-yet-unwarranted speculations do is mainly to raise Microsoft's "mindshare" even more than their paid-for publicity already does, thus crowding out other systems that might otherwise have been serious alternatives, from CIOs' and other decision-makers' attention.

This is exactly what happened to OS/2 in the period from about 1990 to about 1995, as some of us took great pains to point out to the then-editor-in-chief of InfoWorld, Sandy Reed, in 1997 (in the aftermath of the magazine's scandalous decision to invalidate the readers' choice for that year's Readers' Choice awards)... But InfoWorld has apparently learned nothing (probably, in my estimation, because it didn't want to learn anything).

Where are all the InfoWorld articles speculating about, say, Linux' or MacOSX' capabilities two or three years down the line? Where are InfoWorld's grave exhortations that "it's not too soon to consider" what those systems will have (probably, possibly, hopefully -- according to the the most optimistic interests pushing them) to offer, at some unspecified future time, given some unspecified future implementation effort, at some unspecified future monetary cost? (No prizes for concluding that at least in the case of Linux, at least the last point will be lower than for Microsoft.)

I have to confess that since InfoWorld so eloquently showed how it valued its readers compared to how it valued the Redmond monopoly, I haven't read it regularly (or much at all, really). So it is of course possible that there are quite a lot of such articles -- which would certainly surprise me -- but if there are, that ought to be quite easy to demonstrate. Just give us a link to each archived article over, say, the last two years hyping "Longhorn", and a link to each article from the same period hyping the future prowess of, say, Linux, MacOSX, the *BSDs... and, why not OS/2? Compare and contrast the counts of links for each system; if the links are honestly selected, that should be quite an instructive exercise.

Microsoft couldn't get better publicity if they paid for it -- so it's no wonder some people think that's exactly what they do.




This grew while I was writing it; seems it developed into a letter to Udell and/or a "letter to the editor" to DisInfoWorld. (Anybody wanna bet whether it'll be published? :-)


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Without having read the whole article ...
But given the ambitious scope of the project, it's not too soon to consider how Longhorn will affect the vast majority of enterprises deeply invested in both Windows and the Web.
Taken by itself, this statement is absolutely true. Of course, I'm reading it as a cautionary statement, not hype. But hey, I'm strange that way.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New Same ole IWE
Of course, the Hordes are no longer there to act as a counterbalance.

Personally, I think that the magazines love these machinations, as the prognostication is the only thing that makes them seem like they know what they're talking about. Never been good at explaining what's important as of today's technology (much less any sense of history). Looking into the crystal ball though is just an opinion formulated with supporting facts. IWE would like nothing better than to get back into the hype business, as it elevates their importance in the industry.

That said, what I took out of the article is the things MS is planning on not doing. They are not going down the web standards path and they are not going to improve their browser. I view it as a bait and switch scheme by MS. Build the best browser; give it away for free; destroy the competition; get a monopoly; and then move on to the next agenda (Java is the obvious target). MS thinks they own the end of the pipeline, having extinquished the threat of the browser, and now is going to try and worm it's way through the rest of the pipe.

As for the specific Longhorn junk. Indigo (SOAP) is a mess of a protocol (a kludge all the way down). WinFS is the Registry carried to it's logical conclusion (and totally fuxed). Avalon is only interesting as a mutation of Java that tries to get a Windows lockin by building a higher performance GUI.
New Conclusion...?
As for the specific Longhorn junk. Indigo (SOAP) is a mess of a protocol (a kludge all the way down). WinFS is the Registry carried to it's logical conclusion (and totally fuxed). Avalon is only interesting as a mutation of Java that tries to get a Windows lockin by building a higher performance GUI.


You say that as if it meant Avalon won't become the dominant development model. History implies otherwise...messy protocols, fuxored OS subsystems, and constant API mutation are the only way to continue to ride on the coattails of that same Windows lockin. ISV PHBs everywhere will be trampling each other to get Longhorn and Avalon; it's the only way they can continue to make money without having to think or take risks.
New Not saying it won't...
...but just saying that it's nothing new. If you look at the efforts, you can easily see who the enemy is:
messy protocols (Indigo)
Enemy: Linux, BSD* and any other non-Windows server used for web services.
fuxored OS subsystems (WinFS)
Enemy: Samba.
Constant API mutation (Avalon)
Enemy: Java.
New Interesting to see them try that.
I recall the business interest in XP was lukewarm at very best. I would surmise that most of the reason XP is on any corporation PC is because that what the laptop came with. Even I was surprised by the fact that where I currently work the standard desktop build is NT4!

Microsoft is going to find it tough to push corps to Longhorn et al. And those that do will be spending a fortune to do it.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New No they won't
Large early adopters get sweetheart deals and good support to manufacture case studies. Once the case studies are published, MS can start unveiling the real price.
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New Huh, it would be nice
if they took a look at what's going on with eComStation.

OST, it probably wouldn't.
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     The future of HTML forms processing? - (ChrisR) - (30)
         I highly doubt it; no channel for it without IE buy-in -NT - (FuManChu) - (7)
             Or an IE plugin to handle them. -NT - (admin) - (5)
                 Why not use Java at that point? -NT - (altmann) - (3)
                     Re: Why not use Java at that point? - (admin) - (2)
                         Can plugins do that? - (altmann) - (1)
                             Dunno. - (admin)
                 Another possible avenue... - (ChrisR)
             It's definitely an uphill battle... - (ChrisR)
         A few good ideas, a lot of crud - (JayMehaffey)
         I agree with Udell. - (static)
         Interview with Mozilla's chief architect - (ChrisR) - (10)
             Idiocy embodied - (deSitter) - (9)
                 Mozilla is a pretty major accomplishment - (ChrisR) - (7)
                     Re: Mozilla is a pretty major accomplishment - (deSitter) - (6)
                         zIWETHEY works pretty slick in FireFox - (ChrisR) - (4)
                             Re: zIWETHEY works pretty slick in FireFox - (deSitter) - (3)
                                 The sky is falling, we're all going to die, etc, etc. -NT - (Meerkat) - (2)
                                     No, computing sucks because it is mostly populated by fools -NT - (deSitter)
                                     <frazer>We're all DOOMED</frazer> -NT - (pwhysall)
                         Worse is Better is an ongoing process - (ben_tilly)
                 Feel Free To Fix it. - (pwhysall)
         Innovations in Internet Explorer? - (ChrisR) - (8)
             What's it been, 7 yrs? - and DisInfoWorld is still at it :-( - (CRConrad) - (7)
                 Without having read the whole article ... - (drewk)
                 Same ole IWE - (ChrisR) - (4)
                     Conclusion...? - (FuManChu) - (3)
                         Not saying it won't... - (ChrisR)
                         Interesting to see them try that. - (static) - (1)
                             No they won't - (drewk)
                 Huh, it would be nice - (jake123)

It doesn’t get tagged as pathological, even if using it means you ignore actual people.
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