9/11 audience response

Well it's *about* a political decision, but it's a movie, like any other - and it's rated R for 'violent images' (!) According to many reviewers too, pretty much without previous example. Polemic? propaganda? (but only false if the claimed events are false). Pissed-off passionate advocacy? Will see.

Have a report from Flagstaff; they're going twice - will save observations for anon. Theatre was ~ 2/3 full for 2nd show of the day -- at noonish! They will scope the after-work folks' response this PM (they just want to see it again - think it's Well Done, and lots of stuff you can miss first run-through.)

Couldn't get together for tonight's #1 day show, but a few of us going for maybe Mon matinee, if not over weekend.

Anything to help count down the hours to a giant Fork: 3120 to go.

[link|http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/beyond/hollywood.html| Hardly]. Just Google on Jack Valenti for the full flavour.

They engaged attys to try for a PG - for the above very reason. Denied. No, you Can't rate it yourself; dunno in 6/04 what the moniker "UnRated" does to farmily valuez type small theatre operations - but I can Guess. (That usually signifies a battle to get something down from NC-17 to merely R or maybe X--> NC-17) cha cha cha

May be due to Abu-G pix or other pix, or politics or the execrableness of all Corp $$-related mixes of "what's Good for the public We Must Sell To". I think... that a theatre can somewhat ignore.. especially Adult-accompanied kids re 'R', depending on which way the wind blows. Only a Ashcroftian pecksniff would attempt to impose strict-application, anyway - where $$ are the prize.

(And of course, This Ashcroft may well be folding something-in -in a hurry- for release to The Movie Industry, depending on effects of this already-'damned' piece of ComSympTerrorist Demo propaganda, of the Very-wrong -handedness.

Crap shoot, then. No advance guarantees in East Shitkick.
Guarantees? - PATRIOT nullified that kind of stuff.

Post #161,690 by Ashton 6/25/04 10:07:10 PM Reply	9/11 audience response Well it's about a political decision, but it's a movie, like any other - and it's rated R for 'violent images' (!) According to many reviewers too, pretty much without previous example. Polemic? propaganda? (but only false if the claimed events are false). Pissed-off passionate advocacy? Will see. Have a report from Flagstaff; they're going twice - will save observations for anon. Theatre was ~ 2/3 full for 2nd show of the day -- at noonish! They will scope the after-work folks' response this PM (they just want to see it again - think it's Well Done, and lots of stuff you can miss first run-through.) Couldn't get together for tonight's #1 day show, but a few of us going for maybe Mon matinee, if not over weekend. Anything to help count down the hours to a giant Fork: 3120 to go.
Post #161,693 by boxley 6/25/04 10:22:01 PM Reply	I heard it was canadian bacon disguised as a documentary since I only do about 1 movie every 3 years Ill wait for the tv version thanx, bill Anchorage AK: House for sale 3 bed 1 bath 1440 sq feet huge lot near Cheney Lake 175K FSBO 813.273.3518 I wondered what Darwinian moment had to effect itself before we devolved from children flying paper flags in the sky to half formed creatures thundering in a wall of horns down the road to Roncevaux. James Lee Burke questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #161,694 by tjsinclair 6/25/04 11:09:39 PM Reply	Saw it this morning The 11 AM show had a very good turnout. I laughed, I cried and I got very angry. At the end, the audience started applauding, then burst into cheers. I thought it was very well done, especially when Moore got out of the way and let the people he was filming tell their story themselves. Tom Sinclair "While I'm still confused and uncertain, it's on a much higher plane, d'you see, and at least I know I'm bewildered about the really fundamental and important facts of the universe." Treatle nodded. "I hadn't looked at it like that," he said, "But you're absolutely right. He's really pushed back the boundaries of ignorance." -- Discworld scientists at work (Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites)
Post #161,722 by mmoffitt 6/26/04 11:42:54 AM Reply	I note it's rated "R". I had planned to take my daughters, aged 12 and 13. In your opinion, what made the film an "R"? bcnu, Mikem If you can read this, you are not the President.
Post #161,723 by deSitter 6/26/04 12:23:44 PM Reply	Re: I note it's rated "R". The rating system is voluntary, and in any case children under 17 are allowed with parents. There is some grim footage of maimed and killed civilians in Iraq. -drl
Post #161,726 by Yendor 6/26/04 1:24:35 PM Reply	Rating system not voluntary. This film was given an "R" rating. Moore objected to that and appealed to the Film Ratings Board (whoever the hell they are), and they denied his request to change it to PG-13. It stays at an "R" rating. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #161,748 by Silverlock 6/26/04 4:17:56 PM Reply	For certain values of 'voluntary' He's free to release it unrated. [link\|http://www.mpaa.org/movieratings/\|link] ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #161,751 by broomberg 6/26/04 4:48:15 PM Reply	BS Just like 99% of the theatres are free to not show unrated movies.
Post #161,753 by deSitter 6/26/04 4:52:14 PM 6/26/04 4:53:11 PM Reply	It's upto the theater ownership to enforce the ratings They make exceptions. -drl Edited by deSitter June 26, 2004, 04:53:11 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #161,761 by ben_tilly 6/26/04 6:58:56 PM Reply	When was the last significant exception that you know of? To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act - [link\|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20\|Nebraska Supreme Court]
Post #162,703 by Ashton 7/2/04 7:44:21 PM Reply	Noted in local SF Chron: The Grand Lake Theatre near Lake Merritt in Oakland (a few blocks whence onest I lived) - has on the marqee: ~ R Rating not enforced for this presentation (Need to look up exact wording, but that's close; 'twas a few words only) QED?
Post #162,712 by a6l6e6x 7/2/04 8:36:27 PM Reply	Hey, if it's good enough for TV news, why not? Alex "If I seem unduly clear to you, you must have misunderstood what I said." -- Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve chairman
Post #162,727 by Ashton 7/2/04 10:22:51 PM Reply	Akshully, that was a throwaway pic Article was about the unexpectedly huge patronage, generally. Sold-out sessions, etc.
Post #161,779 by Ashton 6/26/04 9:41:43 PM Reply	Voluntary? [link\|http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/beyond/hollywood.html\| Hardly]. Just Google on Jack Valenti for the full flavour. They engaged attys to try for a PG - for the above very reason. Denied. No, you Can't rate it yourself; dunno in 6/04 what the moniker "UnRated" does to farmily valuez type small theatre operations - but I can Guess. (That usually signifies a battle to get something down from NC-17 to merely R or maybe X--> NC-17) cha cha cha May be due to Abu-G pix or other pix, or politics or the execrableness of all Corp $$-related mixes of "what's Good for the public We Must Sell To". I think... that a theatre can somewhat ignore.. especially Adult-accompanied kids re 'R', depending on which way the wind blows. Only a Ashcroftian pecksniff would attempt to impose strict-application, anyway - where $$ are the prize. (And of course, This Ashcroft may well be folding something-in -in a hurry- for release to The Movie Industry, depending on effects of this already-'damned' piece of ComSympTerrorist Demo propaganda, of the Very-wrong -handedness. Crap shoot, then. No advance guarantees in East Shitkick. Guarantees? - PATRIOT nullified that kind of stuff.
Post #161,823 by mmoffitt 6/27/04 3:33:03 PM Reply	Interesting. They can play video games where they kill and maim, but don't show them the real consequences. I've decided. They're going. Thanks all. bcnu, Mikem If you can read this, you are not the President.
Post #163,228 by andread 7/7/04 10:37:59 AM Reply	Re: I note it's rated "R". it uses the word 'motherfucker' more than once which apparently is an automatic R rating I agree w/ Tom Sinclair very good movie audience applause at end A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #163,231 by deSitter 7/7/04 10:40:05 AM Reply	Re: I note it's rated "R". Where did you see it? (Town will suffice) -drl
Post #163,394 by andread 7/8/04 9:40:40 AM Reply	Re: I note it's rated "R". Syracuse Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #161,763 by ben_tilly 6/26/04 7:00:16 PM Reply	Have not seen it yet :-( Jody is busy. But I sincerely intend to rectify the omission when the opportunity arises. Cheers, Ben To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act - [link\|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20\|Nebraska Supreme Court]

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