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Post #15,638
by Arkadiy
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10/29/01 9:56:25 PM
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New Nowhere near the omnipresent one.
I really fail to see anything coming anywhere close to Ender's Game - entire gaming reality for small children aimed at creating perfect fighting human - one who do not trust anyone at all, including the teachers. (For another view of that, check out "Ender's Shadow").

What this reminds me of is another gaming company that was making a flight simulator. They had to use Freedom of Information Act to get the data on aerodynamical performance of various US aircraft. And now the Army is voluntiring similar data just for publicity. I think it's a good idea.
Post #15,672
by Ashton
10/30/01 1:57:34 AM
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New Maybe it doesn't matter.
Seen as a game only - who is to care about the designers, if it's merely commercially successful? For that matter: who is to be certain that: we won't be facing a mini-Ender's dilemma over the next several decades (?)

This is just the beginning..


A.
Post #15,705
by Arkadiy
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10/30/01 9:56:03 AM
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New Ender's dilemma
...may be facing us right now. I wish I could shake that thought off, but I can't. Logically, we can't say that becase we seem to have communication channels open - at least formally. But I am still afraid that it will come down to a choice between "us" and "them". And the choice will be ours to make.

Ender's world is so nice and crisp comparing to ours!
Post #15,737
by inthane-chan
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10/30/01 12:03:23 PM
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New Children of the Mind presented a third option...
...that when the power of the one with the choice is invulnerable to the society which threatens it, they can sit back and wait it out.

The hard part is determining if you're powerful enough.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #15,761
by Arkadiy
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10/30/01 2:21:27 PM
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New Took a while to parse the answer...
I need to reread the second book. I am not sure that Children of the Mind were about "invulnerable power".

More to the point, our power is not invulnerable. If we let our opponent have his way, we cease to exist as a culture.

(that may happen even if we have our way... But that's another topic)
     Ender's Game - (kmself) - (16) - Oct. 26, 2001, 07:54:36 PM EDT
         Machiavelli Lives. - (Ashton) - (15) - Oct. 26, 2001, 11:09:43 PM EDT
             whats yer problem momma wouldnt let you play with - (boxley) - (14) - Oct. 26, 2001, 11:46:08 PM EDT
                 Au contraire mon fr\ufffdre.. - (Ashton) - (10) - Oct. 27, 2001, 12:06:36 AM EDT
                     Simple they arnt forcing kids to play it. - (boxley) - (9) - Oct. 27, 2001, 12:21:20 AM EDT
                         No doubt that experience is er.. experience. - (Ashton) - (8) - Oct. 27, 2001, 12:49:40 AM EDT
                             hear ya on that last sentence :( wasnt planning on giving - (boxley) - Oct. 27, 2001, 08:16:30 AM EDT
                             Odd. - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Oct. 29, 2001, 03:40:08 PM EST
                                 Just the omnipresent one. - (Ashton) - (5) - Oct. 29, 2001, 06:47:59 PM EST
                                     Nowhere near the omnipresent one. - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Oct. 29, 2001, 09:56:25 PM EST
                                         Maybe it doesn't matter. - (Ashton) - (3) - Oct. 30, 2001, 01:57:34 AM EST
                                             Ender's dilemma - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 30, 2001, 09:56:03 AM EST
                                                 Children of the Mind presented a third option... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Oct. 30, 2001, 12:03:23 PM EST
                                                     Took a while to parse the answer... - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 30, 2001, 02:21:27 PM EST
                 Ukrainian freedom fighters? Really? - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - Oct. 27, 2001, 01:52:53 AM EDT
                     Wall here is the story from what I remember - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 27, 2001, 08:22:42 AM EDT
                         Interesting. Thanks for reply. - (a6l6e6x) - Oct. 27, 2001, 10:59:52 AM EDT

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